This week we continue the conversation we began last week about How to Flourish in Your Mental Health. There are two sides to mental health—suffering and flourishing. When we discuss mental health, we are often talking about how people suffer in relationship to their mental health. And that is an important conversation. In addition to that conversation, we also need to talk about how to flourish in our mental health. In this weeks episode, I have a conversation with Dr. Stephanie Caine and Jason Caine about core aspects of how God designed us to flourish in our mental health and how we can practically invest in each of those areas of life. This is part 02 of a two part discussion. Make sure to check out the previous episode for part 01.
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[00:00:02] Hey Better Days Family, welcome to Better Days podcast season 9.
[00:00:07] This season of the Better Days podcast, we're going to talk about different aspects of mental health and suffering.
[00:00:13] Throughout these episodes, we're going to lay a theological framework for each topic, flesh out misunderstandings that we sometimes hold,
[00:00:20] and offer practical advice and tips to help you along in your journey through mental health and suffering.
[00:00:28] We're going to be joined by various friends that I'm so glad are sharing their expertise and advice on these important and valuable conversations.
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[00:01:01] Let's jump into this week's episode.
[00:01:04] The next layer to human flourishing that we see that God designed was relationships.
[00:01:09] In Genesis 2 18, God said to the first human he created, it is not good for man to be alone.
[00:01:17] And that has nothing to do with marriage.
[00:01:20] People always quote that in weddings.
[00:01:21] It does have relevancy to marriage for sure.
[00:01:25] But I think at a baseline level, what God is saying is I'm a relational being, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the triune nature of God,
[00:01:34] been in perfect harmonious relationship for all of eternity.
[00:01:38] And because you're creating the image of God, Wesley, Stephanie, Jason,
[00:01:43] you also have this deep longing wired into you to be a relational being.
[00:01:49] Loneliness counteracts that.
[00:01:51] Loneliness is the antithesis of flourishing on a relational level.
[00:01:56] So I think God saw Adam in the garden and he said, you're not created to be alone.
[00:02:02] I created this world to be full of human beings in relationship with one another.
[00:02:07] That's why you see tribes and communities and friendship groups and teams and so on and so forth.
[00:02:12] Because we have this deep desire and longing in us to be in relationship with people and we can't flourish without that.
[00:02:22] So I think that that's a really important part of this conversation.
[00:02:26] And on so many levels, our relationships affects us either positively in our mental health or negatively in our mental health.
[00:02:38] I think a couple things to just throw out for conversation is this.
[00:02:42] First of all, we don't live in Genesis one and two.
[00:02:44] So all of our relationships are flawed.
[00:02:47] They're in process of growing, developing, becoming healthier.
[00:02:51] But we all get hurt in relationships.
[00:02:53] We all fail each other.
[00:02:55] We all need forgiveness.
[00:02:58] I think that's a glue to relational health.
[00:03:02] Jason, I know you've talked about a lot about forgiveness lately and been teaching on it.
[00:03:07] What are some of your thoughts around that?
[00:03:08] Like we're talking about relational flourishing, imperfection in all of our relationships.
[00:03:15] We're imperfect leaders.
[00:03:16] We fail people, right?
[00:03:17] Like we have to ask for forgiveness.
[00:03:19] We have to acknowledge our failures to grow.
[00:03:23] I think this type of mindset is really, really important to have.
[00:03:26] Yeah.
[00:03:27] Yeah, relationships are the, to me, one of the amino acids, the building blocks of life and sorry to the scientists if that's the wrong phrase,
[00:03:34] but it's the one that came to my mind.
[00:03:36] But they are foundational to what life is all about.
[00:03:38] Jesus came in essence to restore our relationship back to God, because that's what we need.
[00:03:45] On one occasion Jesus asked, what's the greatest commandment?
[00:03:47] Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind.
[00:03:49] He says that.
[00:03:50] And he said, then he says, the second command is like it to love your neighbor.
[00:03:54] And so there's this thing where relationships are foundational to us living out the gospel that we have to love our neighbors.
[00:04:01] And one of the things that I frequently say is our relationships with others is often a reflection of our relationship with God.
[00:04:07] The way that you prove that your love for God is your love for other people, and that can only happen in the context of relationships.
[00:04:13] And in a world where there's so much loneliness, one of the things I believe the church offers that is the phenomenal is an opportunity for community and connection.
[00:04:22] We're going through the book of Acts right now.
[00:04:24] And as you look at the book of Acts, one of the things that the early church had was this community and connection because they had a common mission that they were.
[00:04:31] We're after.
[00:04:31] And I think when we understand the common mission that we have as believers, it'll help to strengthen our relationships and know that we can't live alone.
[00:04:39] And part of relationships has always been messy.
[00:04:42] That repair has to happen frequently in the context of relationships.
[00:04:45] That is literally the story of the Bible, the repair that God does to get back in relationship with us when when sin enters into the equation.
[00:04:55] Stephanie, I have a question for you about loneliness in our current culture, but let me set it up.
[00:04:59] So, you know, all the studies are saying this is one of the loneliest times in Western culture in modern history.
[00:05:08] UCLA does a bunch of research like loneliness Institute and studies and so on and so forth.
[00:05:13] And what's interesting is we live in the most connected generation human history.
[00:05:19] So many webs of digital relationships that, you know, we can say this now, the young people in our culture are experiencing.
[00:05:30] They grew up with digital relationships.
[00:05:33] Talk to us about the importance of person to person,
[00:05:39] incarnational human to human relationships in a culture that has cultivated digital relationships.
[00:05:49] Yeah, I think that this is what we're seeing now is this.
[00:05:51] This is now we're seeing in the digital age kids who started out being born in the digital age and growing up in the digital age.
[00:06:00] So now we're seeing kids who are now in their well, they're not kids now, but they're young adults
[00:06:05] and they spent their whole lives with digital relationships as an option.
[00:06:09] And I don't want to bash it.
[00:06:12] I mean, society evolves and there's a lot of benefits to digital relationships and what they do there.
[00:06:20] But we're recognizing that it's not enough being in the physical presence of someone
[00:06:27] having and it allows for an authenticity and it allows for the immaterial where we're talking about the soul,
[00:06:34] the soul connection.
[00:06:36] It is it's also immaterial, but there's also a tangible experience that happens when you're sitting with someone
[00:06:44] and they're feeling really sad.
[00:06:46] Sometimes you can feel the sadness filling up in that person.
[00:06:50] You may feel the tension that is building with somebody who's anxious.
[00:06:54] And then you're able to respond appropriately and that gets missed in a screen sometimes.
[00:07:00] Sometimes you just not able to have that feeling.
[00:07:04] There's special training for that for therapists, but the typical person is not able to pick up on those types of cues.
[00:07:11] And so it's absolutely critical for people to really encourage themselves, to push themselves,
[00:07:18] to get out and just be around people, be in the presence of people.
[00:07:23] I think we can it's easy for us to come up with a lot of excuses.
[00:07:26] Why not to go to church?
[00:07:28] Why I can sit at home and it comes to me and why do I need to do this?
[00:07:32] I'm able to do all this stuff from home.
[00:07:34] But for those of you who are working from home,
[00:07:37] who also I also want to recognize those of you who may have disabilities or impairments that actually
[00:07:42] prevent you from being able to get out as much than those of us who are able body need to be
[00:07:49] in the body of Christ need to be intentional about recognizing those people in our communities
[00:07:54] and showing up for them when they're not able to actually get out of their home and be in the presence
[00:08:00] of people.
[00:08:01] So it's important for us to use that compassion to drive us to meet that need.
[00:08:04] Yeah, so good.
[00:08:06] Thank you for answering that question in a really helpful way.
[00:08:11] And also acknowledging that there's people that don't have the same opportunity because of
[00:08:15] health situations that have brought complications to their relationships.
[00:08:20] And I think that acknowledging that is so important because all of us know people in our
[00:08:24] lives that deal with those types of health situations that counteract some of that relational
[00:08:32] in-person opportunities that maybe the person who doesn't have those health situations
[00:08:39] that's normal for them, but it's not normal for some.
[00:08:41] So thank you for acknowledging that.
[00:08:43] And then another relationship that I think is the cornerstone, the bedrock,
[00:08:47] the foundation of all human flourishing is our relationship with God.
[00:08:52] And here's why this is so important.
[00:08:55] If God created us, if he wired us to flourish, if he is the designer of what it means to be
[00:09:03] human, if you're disconnected from that Creator, our Creator, there is no possibility
[00:09:12] to flourish.
[00:09:13] I'm not saying you can't flourish in certain ways.
[00:09:16] Like you can go exercise, you can eat healthy, so on and so forth.
[00:09:19] But you can't flourish in the way that God intended you to flourish.
[00:09:25] And often we don't understand how to flourish.
[00:09:29] There's a disconnect of like even the conceptual understanding of like how do I
[00:09:34] have peace in life?
[00:09:36] How do I have healthy relationships?
[00:09:38] What is my roadmap?
[00:09:39] What are my building blocks?
[00:09:40] What are my values?
[00:09:41] God gives us all of that.
[00:09:43] A relationship with God connects us to our Creator and gives us the roadmap,
[00:09:49] gives us the values, gives us the insight of how he designed us to flourish and all these
[00:09:54] other aspects.
[00:09:55] So I know in my life, I'm a first generation Christian.
[00:10:00] Nobody else in my family was a follower of Jesus.
[00:10:03] I remember being 12, 13 years old, growing up in a broken home, deeply depressed, confused,
[00:10:09] no roadmap, no values.
[00:10:11] There's this hole in my soul.
[00:10:12] That's how I like to convey it, the picture that I always felt was like there's just
[00:10:17] something missing.
[00:10:19] When I believed in Jesus and I began to build a relationship with him in high school,
[00:10:24] really started to take my face seriously, still the dumb stuff that high schoolers do as well,
[00:10:30] but like really pressing into my relationship with God.
[00:10:34] Something happened that connected me to my design and filled up my soul that I couldn't
[00:10:45] experience in any other aspect of life.
[00:10:48] And I just want to say there's some people listening to this podcast,
[00:10:52] maybe that's you, maybe you're on a journey with your mental health,
[00:10:56] maybe you've been struggling, maybe you're trying to flourish
[00:10:59] and this is the missing piece in your life.
[00:11:02] That you need to have a relationship with your Creator through Jesus Christ,
[00:11:07] Jesus Christ, God's Son who came to die on the cross and rise again to forgive you,
[00:11:12] to give you hope and to reconnect you to an eternal relationship with your Creator.
[00:11:17] So I don't know if you guys have something to add to that.
[00:11:21] To the gospel?
[00:11:22] No, thank you, handle everything you need to say about the importance of relationship with God.
[00:11:27] You know, there's this, as you talked about, just a part of you that was able to
[00:11:31] experience fulfillment because of that relationship.
[00:11:34] And I love that you said that so clearly.
[00:11:37] Yeah, and I think to your point, because it is so profound the immense impact that
[00:11:44] it had on your life even as a child through adulthood, when that relationship is shaken,
[00:11:53] when something happens to you that causes you to go, God, where are you?
[00:11:58] Why didn't you protect me from this?
[00:12:00] The ups and downs of that relationship.
[00:12:02] Again, going back to our limitations as humans, that we think, okay, this is God,
[00:12:08] he can do anything, he can do great things, he can do miracles.
[00:12:12] And yet this thing has happened in my life and has brought me to my knees.
[00:12:17] And I'm angry at you, God, for that.
[00:12:19] And allowing yourself to weather these parts of the relationship, but stay committed to God.
[00:12:24] And just accept your anger, your resentment, your frustration with the Lord.
[00:12:30] Accept that as part of the human condition, the human nature.
[00:12:34] Resource yourself through that.
[00:12:36] But stay committed to the Lord regardless.
[00:12:40] Sometimes we don't understand why we go through what we go through.
[00:12:44] Yeah.
[00:12:44] And we're gonna have an episode in this season where we more deeply
[00:12:49] conversate about that.
[00:12:50] But I think that's really good and you wrestle, but you stay committed, like Job did,
[00:12:54] stay committed to God, keep trusting him because we don't understand everything
[00:12:58] that happens in life, especially the deep pain points.
[00:13:01] So I'm really thankful that you brought that up.
[00:13:05] The last two, working and resting, working in Genesis, I want to read these
[00:13:11] verses because I think they're so valuable.
[00:13:13] 128 says, God bless them and said to them, be fruitful and increase in number,
[00:13:18] fill the earth and subdue it.
[00:13:20] And then he gives them a role.
[00:13:22] He says rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky
[00:13:27] and over every living creature that moves on the ground.
[00:13:30] And then in chapter two, verse 15, he says, the Lord God took the man and put him in the
[00:13:33] Garden of Eden to work it and to care for it.
[00:13:38] And I feel like purpose, engaging in this world in positive ways,
[00:13:47] God uses this term good, tov, that everything that God created was good.
[00:13:53] God was doing good and we get to parallel that.
[00:13:57] Work is us endeavoring to do good in this world.
[00:14:02] So you're helping people heal from the deepest wounds, pains.
[00:14:09] You're helping people build healthy practices.
[00:14:11] You're teaching people the Bible, the way of Jesus, how to become like Jesus,
[00:14:16] how to be like Jesus and do the things Jesus taught and build your life around a
[00:14:22] relationship with Jesus.
[00:14:23] And I'm doing similar.
[00:14:25] And then we all care about mental health and suffering in this conversation.
[00:14:28] These are good endeavors that give us purpose in life.
[00:14:34] How important is purpose to human flourishing?
[00:14:39] It gives meaning and it's a survival.
[00:14:42] I mean, it's what helps you survive even.
[00:14:44] I think about the book Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Franco
[00:14:48] and he talked about surviving the Holocaust and just the unimaginable torture,
[00:14:57] physical, psychological, emotional, spiritual that they experienced in these camps.
[00:15:03] So many people died and so he was answering the question,
[00:15:06] what about you guys who survived?
[00:15:08] How did you survive this?
[00:15:12] And he talked about finding purpose even in an unimaginable suffering environment.
[00:15:19] The little ways, seemingly little ways that actually helped him survive through that
[00:15:25] finding meaning in that, whether it is was offering a caring shoulder for somebody else
[00:15:31] or tending to a squirrel that was walking around.
[00:15:36] Everything he could and he noticed people who did that,
[00:15:39] who who tried to find a purpose of work, something to care for,
[00:15:43] something to care about even in that helped get them through what would be an unimaginable condition.
[00:15:51] Yeah, oftentimes I hear people talking who have jobs
[00:15:54] and they're saying I want to find a more purposeful job and I challenge them and say,
[00:15:58] you know, isn't it good that you're able to take care of your family?
[00:16:01] I think a lot of our work is somewhat sometimes changing perspective to say how am I finding purpose
[00:16:06] in what I'm doing right now.
[00:16:08] It is important that you're able to provide for your family even if you're doing a job
[00:16:11] that you think doesn't have significance.
[00:16:13] It's important that you're raising your children,
[00:16:15] even if you want to be out in the workplace because you are raising someone,
[00:16:19] you're rearing them in a specific direction.
[00:16:23] So work really, it provides purpose for us in life.
[00:16:26] It gives us something to aim and to strive for in order to have significance
[00:16:31] and give us a reason to wake up.
[00:16:33] Like we all need some sort of challenge in life that we're trying to overcome
[00:16:39] or a problem that we're trying to solve
[00:16:41] or a direction that we're trying to go in.
[00:16:43] So purpose is huge.
[00:16:44] Regardless of your position, you know,
[00:16:46] you asked yourself the question, who is impacted by what I do?
[00:16:50] That's good.
[00:16:51] And what need am I meeting?
[00:16:52] Yeah.
[00:16:53] Yes.
[00:16:53] And you don't have to compare yourself.
[00:16:55] Okay, no, I'm not doing the work that we're doing.
[00:16:59] But there's a need.
[00:17:00] Is it by way of feeding people?
[00:17:02] Is it by whatever?
[00:17:03] Who is impacted and what need am I meeting?
[00:17:05] Then you have people who are unable to work
[00:17:07] in the way that society defines work.
[00:17:10] Maybe they're not able to maintain a job or in some way.
[00:17:14] Then what opportunities do I have to impact someone?
[00:17:18] Yes.
[00:17:18] So thinking more outside of the box on ways that you can meet a need.
[00:17:22] Every day you can wake up and you could say,
[00:17:25] God, what can I do that is good today?
[00:17:29] Right.
[00:17:30] And I think to summarize something you said
[00:17:33] that I just want to highlight, Jason, work has two purposes.
[00:17:37] One, its purpose is for you.
[00:17:40] It's for your own mental well-being.
[00:17:41] It gives you meaning.
[00:17:44] But secondly, work is for the benefit of others.
[00:17:48] Your work has a tangible effect on the well-being of other people.
[00:17:53] And I think God created it that way,
[00:17:55] like exactly what you explained, this dual purpose of work.
[00:17:59] It helps me and it helps others.
[00:18:01] And it gives us meaning.
[00:18:03] And in a practical way, whether you're working,
[00:18:07] we all have purpose.
[00:18:08] We all have to figure out what is that good
[00:18:09] that we can do on a daily basis?
[00:18:12] Whatever venue or facet of life you're in,
[00:18:14] as far as purpose, just wake up every morning
[00:18:16] and pray that prayer.
[00:18:17] God, what good can I do today?
[00:18:20] Show me something good I can do for others.
[00:18:23] And when we do good for others, it helps us.
[00:18:26] There's a reciprocal effect on our life
[00:18:28] that is so valuable.
[00:18:30] And then finally, resting.
[00:18:33] And in Genesis 2, 1 through 3,
[00:18:37] God creates six days of creation
[00:18:39] and then the Bible says,
[00:18:40] and God rested on the seventh day.
[00:18:42] And God sets that up as a paradigm for human beings,
[00:18:46] later on in the Gospel in Mark chapter 2,
[00:18:48] God says, or Jesus says,
[00:18:50] with some controversy around the Sabbath,
[00:18:53] Shabbat is the Hebrew term for rest.
[00:18:55] It means to cease from work.
[00:18:58] Jesus says, Sabbath was made for man,
[00:19:02] not man for the Sabbath.
[00:19:03] In other words, this is a gift.
[00:19:06] God rested, not that God was exhausted or tired.
[00:19:10] God stepped back from the work to celebrate
[00:19:14] His creation, to acknowledge all the goodness of His creation.
[00:19:19] And I think in a way that we can work six days.
[00:19:23] And some people can't have an entire day
[00:19:26] that they call a day of rest or a Sabbath.
[00:19:29] But you can pick pockets in your week,
[00:19:32] rhythms where you can step back,
[00:19:34] you can shabbat, you can cease from work
[00:19:36] and you can fill up your soul.
[00:19:38] You can disconnect from the grind of work
[00:19:44] maybe that's your brain, maybe that's your emotions,
[00:19:46] maybe that literally day to day you're on the construction site
[00:19:50] and you're working with your hands.
[00:19:51] You can cease from that activity.
[00:19:54] You can breathe, you can find peace in rest,
[00:20:01] and you can also do things that fill up your soul,
[00:20:04] but you can reflect.
[00:20:06] Look at all the good I was able to accomplish.
[00:20:09] And you can celebrate that.
[00:20:10] I think that's at the base essence of Sabbath.
[00:20:15] What we as followers of Jesus call Sabbath,
[00:20:17] the ability to say,
[00:20:19] I accomplished all these things in six days
[00:20:22] and now I can step back and enjoy the work that I was able to do
[00:20:29] and I can take a day of rest.
[00:20:31] And so I think this is so important.
[00:20:33] God gave us a daily rest sleep.
[00:20:34] God gave us a weekly rest finding a pocket
[00:20:37] that we can just do that.
[00:20:39] And let me just add one more thing
[00:20:41] because I was thinking about this this morning.
[00:20:45] All of us came from a generation of hustle culture,
[00:20:48] which so the highlight was work, work, work.
[00:20:52] Then there was a reaction.
[00:20:53] The pendulum has swung.
[00:20:55] So the generation below us,
[00:20:58] we're OG millennials or whatever,
[00:21:01] the generation below us now they're talking about rest all the time.
[00:21:07] Rest, rest, rest.
[00:21:08] I think there's a healthy balance.
[00:21:11] And both sides can be unhealthy.
[00:21:13] If we're like, let's work all the time,
[00:21:15] accomplish climb the ladder that can be unhealthy mindset.
[00:21:17] But if we're always like, hey, 40 hours of work week,
[00:21:21] that's just too much.
[00:21:22] I need 30 hours or I'm burned out.
[00:21:24] Like burnout culture around part-time work
[00:21:27] and even full-time work.
[00:21:29] Like we've got a problem here.
[00:21:30] You know, like we are meant to work hard.
[00:21:33] We are meant to bring meaning and goodness
[00:21:35] through hard work through this world.
[00:21:36] But we're also meant to rest.
[00:21:38] So over emphasis on rest is unhealthy.
[00:21:41] Over emphasis on work is unhealthy.
[00:21:43] There needs to be a balanced equilibrium there.
[00:21:46] It's almost like God gave us a formula.
[00:21:49] He gave us a formula.
[00:21:50] You know, that's the ideal scenario
[00:21:53] is what God established for us.
[00:21:55] Absolutely.
[00:21:56] And we take that Sabbath to, I think for rest,
[00:22:00] for recreation, but also to take time
[00:22:03] to celebrate the work that was done.
[00:22:04] Yeah.
[00:22:05] And when you're able to do that,
[00:22:06] because it's a privilege to be able to do that.
[00:22:08] Like there are some people who have to work two jobs
[00:22:10] and they don't get a day of rest.
[00:22:12] But in an ideal world, if you're able to take a moment
[00:22:16] where you can put down the work, literally put it down
[00:22:19] and just reflect and have some recreation,
[00:22:22] then you are a blessed person to be able to do that.
[00:22:25] Yes.
[00:22:25] Sometimes that's hard like for people who are parents.
[00:22:28] You know, sometimes there's guilt that comes in like,
[00:22:31] oh, I gotta take time.
[00:22:33] I need time away from my children for a moment.
[00:22:36] Just to get back to who I am as an individual.
[00:22:39] And it's hard because then the guilt shows up to say,
[00:22:43] you know, like, you know, the story you tell yourself is,
[00:22:46] well, everybody else is there for their kids.
[00:22:47] Sometimes we talk ourselves out of rest
[00:22:50] because we come up with these stories
[00:22:52] that we claim that other people are not taking any time off.
[00:22:56] And it's deceptive.
[00:22:57] It's a lie.
[00:22:59] Everyone, your children are going to experience you better.
[00:23:01] Your spouse, your relationships, your friendships,
[00:23:04] your work, everybody's going to experience you better
[00:23:06] when you make time for yourself just to rest,
[00:23:12] just to enjoy yourself,
[00:23:13] just to find something that you find joy in.
[00:23:16] It's surprising how many people, if you ask them like,
[00:23:19] what is your hobby?
[00:23:20] What do you enjoy doing?
[00:23:21] And they're like, I don't know.
[00:23:24] Actually, don't know what that is.
[00:23:26] Making time to find out what that thing is
[00:23:29] and cultivating that and spending time with that
[00:23:32] is actually going to make you better at life.
[00:23:36] This is such a valuable conversation.
[00:23:39] Thank you for your input and your insight,
[00:23:42] seven aspects of how we were created by God
[00:23:47] to be human and flourish.
[00:23:48] And these are things that we can think about.
[00:23:51] These are things that we can be intentional with.
[00:23:54] And not that we are going to experience flourishing
[00:23:58] like Genesis one and two,
[00:23:59] but that doesn't mean that we can't press in
[00:24:02] to cultivating each of these areas of our life
[00:24:05] in a fallen, broken world
[00:24:07] where there are imperfections and pain
[00:24:09] and disconnects that we experience
[00:24:12] and health issues and so on and so forth.
[00:24:14] I do think even within that sphere and ecosystem
[00:24:18] that we can be intentional as followers of Jesus
[00:24:22] to invest in all of these areas of our life
[00:24:24] as stewardship in our discipleship to Jesus.
[00:24:28] So thank you for this conversation.
[00:24:31] What a great start to the Better Days Podcast Season 9.
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