How To Support Church Planters - Daniel Williams and Josh Black

[00:00:00] Alright, welcome to the Cultivate Church Planting Podcast and back again with my boy Daniel Williams. Am I your boy? Yeah, I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah, back again, back for more Daniel is Pastor Church Planting Expert, a networker,

[00:00:17] and they got a time to everything I know about podcasting so I'm glad to have him be a co-host on the show. And we got Josh Black with us today in Victory Calvary Chapel. Josh, thanks for being on the show today. It's good to be here.

[00:00:31] Yeah, so nice to have you and looking forward to your good conversation and talking about church planting. So Josh, let's get started right away and want to introduce yourself what you're doing, what you have done, and we'll jump right in. Yep, so I live in Manifay, California.

[00:00:46] I wasn't originally from California, went to Bible College, raised up there, was on staff there, and the Lord just kept me in the area. I really wanted to go to Europe, my whole life, plant being bald over there, but the Lord's kept me here,

[00:01:01] to be more of a sending, supporting, you know, if I can't live over there, I want to really be actively involved in the guys' lives and just meeting practical needs for their churches. Like, whatever we can do to be a blessing for you, that's what I love doing.

[00:01:18] Right, we love that. Yeah. What's the great about Europe though? Um, I was, for me personally, I was in Bristol, England, in John Wesley's Chapel when God called me to pulpit ministry. And I was on this like discipleship tour, right?

[00:01:34] And ministry like that was not on my radar, but they had to do this private devotee time. And I'm looking at the pulpit and God says, you're going to do that.

[00:01:44] So it was really profound for me. My one of my son's middle names is Wesley after John Wesley. Yeah.

[00:01:51] So I just cultivated a heart and when the Lord didn't call me, I met Connor Barry just because when I heard some guy was in Bristol, I said, I'm gonna support him. Uh-huh. And we developed a relationship that way, you know?

[00:02:05] So church planting, you're at Victory Calvert Chapel in Minifee. Yep. And you have a mission to support, come alongside of other church plants using your expertise. So in this episode, what we want to talk about, of course, church planting. Yeah. But how do you support a church plant?

[00:02:23] You've got a lot of pastors out there that listen to the podcast or listen it there. They may not be necessarily guys that are going to go out and plant churches themselves, but they're like, I believe in this. I believe it's biblical.

[00:02:35] And I want to be a part of the Great Commission in planting churches. They don't want to go out themselves, but they want to support like they love Europe. They have Africa, they have whatever they love. The areas, regions. How are they going to support a church plant?

[00:02:48] And how have you supported church plants? Yeah. That's a great question. Because there's a big need and you talk to a lot of guys and they feel lonely. I think the main, the number and reason why guys quit the mission field is a lack of relational support.

[00:03:03] I remember going on a trip one time and I just asked the guys, would you rather have just sent you the money for this plant to get it? To do stuff. And they said no man like this has been so life-giving.

[00:03:16] So I like to look at the biblical model for short termitions from Timothy in first, that's Loney and S3, where Paul sins him on this trip. The Jewish mobs didn't know Timothy. It seems like Paul is keeping him from the crowds.

[00:03:34] So Paul couldn't get back to these people so he sins Timothy to strengthen and encourage. And that's a huge thing. I think if a short term team comes over and visits the long term team,

[00:03:52] if when the group leaves, if the church is relieved because it's like now we can finally rest. I would say that's felt like absolute failure. Yeah. Like this is an absolute failure because we're coming so you can rest.

[00:04:10] So I think that's the heart and whoever you go with, you need to train and you need to tell them that. We're coming to work our butts off whatever they need help with, we're going to do it.

[00:04:20] And the flip side is they're always excited to show you their city or their village or whatever. They're proud of where they're moving and they're sitting. Yeah, so you get to do some fun stuff. But I like to meet just practical needs. Like, just show up.

[00:04:35] I'll teach for you whatever. Sometimes I'll bring a little gift basket with some resources, a new book or something like that. One time I bought a guy a projector because I saw their projector was just really janky. One guy had like a 10 year old laptop.

[00:04:52] Something like two were going to get you knee laptop. And then to see that laptop in pictures years later is like, it's really cool, you know? So for another 10 years. Yeah. It's time for you to go back, we're going to the laptop. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[00:05:07] So, you know, we have more resources in America and those need to be going out instead of always in where to build the bigger box to fit people in. You know? Yeah.

[00:05:19] So just to have a heart to come alongside and letting them know, like we're here for you, we pray for you. But when you show up it's important to when you leave, you should be leaving behind the aroma of Christ.

[00:05:31] Like that team should say, those guys are made. I'm so glad they can't wait till they come back. Yeah. Instead of let's take an app. Yeah. Let's talk about the generosity and support of church planning missionaries as well because that,

[00:05:46] that is important because some people have that natural relationship and it is refreshing. Other people, you can refresh people for many ways of equipping training, relationship but finding it as a piece. My dad said, cash is king. Everyone takes that currency.

[00:06:04] So for you, how did you get to a place with your board and your church? Just say, hey, this is important. How are we going to budget this? I think they, you mentioned to me in a private conversation just how much your church gives.

[00:06:18] And challenged the team to say, hey, we want to have this attitude of generosity. What does that look like for you guys? I think he, he have to constantly communicate your vision because, you know,

[00:06:30] at a normal workplace a boss can show up on a Monday and share something and he has Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday to do it. And as pastors where we see people maybe once a week, it takes a longer time to institute a vision or change or something.

[00:06:47] So you just got to keep communicating it and being excited about it and tell people about these guys have them guess preach, you know, and make it worthwhile for them, you know, if they come and guess preach and make it fun. Go have sushi afterwards.

[00:07:02] Dude, it was great. I got to, you know, preach it at Josh's church last Sunday. Did you all you can eat, baby? Who? It was amazing. Well, but you're talking about your, are you talking about Western Eastern Europe like what of the specifically, what are you talking about?

[00:07:16] Um, for me it's, it's more turned into just guys I have relationship with because I, I believe in my philosophy is supporting men, you know, like the church can support the work, but I want to support the guy.

[00:07:30] So most of the guys that I've supported have just, I believe in you. I've relationship with you. Uh, and mostly that's Bible College. Most of my friends split around. I just met in Bible College and just relational is kind of how it's happened for me.

[00:07:46] Because if you're going to support something, you want to know it, you want to believe in it. So it's like I know you, man. And we're going to get behind you. How, Brian, for you how important is relationship and church planning?

[00:07:57] Because I think with cultivate where you're trying to foster and build a mentor, a coach? Why is that? Because I think the practicality of training or is it for relationship? No, I think what Josh says absolutely right.

[00:08:08] It's like, if you, if the leader of the team, whether it's a mission work or a church plan is unhealthy, is lonely, is burnt out, then the whole thing's going to kind of fall apart. I mean, you got to have the strength of character first of all,

[00:08:26] but also those relationships are key because you, it's hard to explain and I think we kind of all, we've all experienced that we've all been out, church planning and doing it.

[00:08:35] But a lot of guys who go out, they don't realize how important it is to have someone who's got your back. Like we kind of take it for granted, like especially you, Dan, you're very, we've talked about this before on a previous episode.

[00:08:48] You're very relational, you have connections. You, you have people that you can call that you can say, hey, I need prayer for this or help with that or I need a laptop or a projector, whatever. And I do too to a certain extent.

[00:09:02] But guys, that go out, especially like parachute planting where you go in, you don't know anybody, you're just like, you're so... I parachute planted 3,000 miles away. I don't really did no assault. To hat and that's fine, but if you don't have that support,

[00:09:18] and I'm not even talking about financial, I would even say, like financial stuff, like if you had a choose like okay, if you could have all the money you wanted to plant this church. Or you could have the relational equity.

[00:09:33] They were relational value of people coming alongside visiting you, calling you, checking in on you. I would say, I mean, the temptation is oh yeah, give me the money. We'll do it. You know, we'll bring a building, we'll get all the stuff and all that.

[00:09:46] No, that only lasts so long, like you need relational connections. Well, and statistically speaking, I don't know if I've mentioned it here, but all the time, if you have a mentor in a coach and relationship connected with you, that statistically speaking

[00:09:59] will be a healthier, long-term, more fruitful church than starting off with a budget. North American Mission Board, NAM, other larger organizations that have funded church plants with finances. They're starting to realize, and they've done this at his saying, hey,

[00:10:15] that's not the contributing factor of launching large or small. It's the relationship, it's the encouragement that you see. Man, these things are really necessary for the planter. Absolutely. Yeah, and within cultivate, just what we're doing here, like we've seen the importance of relationship firsthand.

[00:10:33] And that's one of our big, big goals over the next few years is to develop connection points for church planters, whether it's in the United States, because we're talking about overseas. Like, that's especially important, because you're outside of your culture

[00:10:47] and at the time you don't know anybody, and it's, you know, long ways away. But in the United States as well, like you plan a church down the street, you still need that relational connection.

[00:10:56] So we're trying to work on how are we going to get people who may not be as relationally connected as you, Daniel, with all your friends. I have a lot of great friends. How many friends you have? I don't know, like, it doesn't at least.

[00:11:10] But you know what's amazing, and I say this is on my heart, especially with church planning and Josh, like, you know, how do you think I naturally build those relationships? Because I find that the pathway to friendship,

[00:11:22] it's a, it can be hard. It can be difficult, but God is faithful if you humbly yourself or if you put time and energy into it. Like, how do you continue to cultivate those relationships once God brings someone into your life? I think your church planter too.

[00:11:37] It's not just that you're sending out. You start, it's started and have done that too. Absolutely. I think conferences like this are very important. Or whenever you get around a group of guys, you just can't be into yourself because, like,

[00:11:52] you can sniff it out when someone's trying to do something or trying to make a name for themselves or if they're jockeying for some position or something. And it's just a big turn off. Yeah. So I think just being a guy and just being real

[00:12:09] and you build credibility and trustworthiness. So just like, hey, that's a cool guy. That's a good guy. He's never trying to promote anything. He's just real wants to hang out. Love's Jesus. Those are the guys I like to hang out with. Yeah. Absolutely.

[00:12:27] Even though you're promoting CG in with it with a swag hat right there. It's like, how nice is somebody. We're at the CG in the International Conference right now recording. So you picked that up. I picked it up here at the top. It's a great hat.

[00:12:40] If it's so good by the way. It's a nice style too, I like that. I like it. Like that style. I was just saying, well, give you one part. Nope. This church plan. You know what I'm gonna give you. You can buy it. Yeah.

[00:12:54] When things I want to do is like sort of turn this conversation a little bit into not just encouragement, relationally funds. But thinking about another way that we encourage church planners and supporting, right? Being that the home sending training. Bro, you are a trainer. Yeah.

[00:13:12] You are gifted teacher but developer. You have a whole school of ministry. What is your thought in the process of, Okay, I'm back on my home church. I want to support these guys. I'm going to visit them. I'm going to financially support them.

[00:13:23] How important is the role of training and how do you do that? Okay. So here we go. That's an answer. You just see it. I did it. He's just waiting. He's waiting for the right question. Because I found that so many people are discouraged

[00:13:35] because they aren't equipped to actually do what that's called to do. And just like being like, hey, this is a system. Yeah. Go for it. My goodness. This is so crucial. And yeah, there's a lot to be said about how to do a church plant the right way.

[00:13:51] But you look at Jesus. He speaks the word church into existence for the first time by saying, I will build my church. But the first real fulfillment of that is the last verse of Acts chapter 2, verse 47.

[00:14:07] Because in Cessaria, Philipi, when he says, I will build my church, it's just an idea. It's a thought. And in Acts 247, we see this radical vibrant church that the Lord is adding people to.

[00:14:21] So I think it would be worth our while to look at what Jesus did intentionally to take him from the thought to the reality. Because there's a lot of church planners saying, it's a great thought. But how do we get there?

[00:14:33] And I think all of those answers are in Acts chapters 1 and 2. Well, I believe that with all of my heart that if a guy roots himself in those two chapters and doesn't look at it as methods but more highlights and rhythms

[00:14:50] and practices that you really need to emphasize, a guy can go out anywhere in the world and I guarantee church planning success. I really do because Acts chapters 3 through 28 don't happen without Acts 1 and 2. And the miracles in this church planning movement and growth, right?

[00:15:12] So it starts at the beginning of Acts chapter 1 with a relationship with a resurrected Jesus. And I think this is important to talk about because I've met a lot of Christians who understand the cross. They know they're forgiven of their sins, but they've only been discipled that far.

[00:15:31] They're not walking in victory. They know nothing of the resurrected Christ and they've not been talked about, you know, bursting out of that empty tomb which Jesus and they don't know about the high priestly ministry of Jesus and were seated with Him in heavenly realms

[00:15:47] and that's where the victory comes. And so we know that disciples changed a lot. Those 40 days Jesus showed up in resurrected form and He's shown Him, this is what New Testament living is. And so there's a focus on the resurrection of Jesus.

[00:16:02] That is followed by an understanding of Jesus doctrine, which is the baptism with the Holy Spirit. And I'm so thankful for my Calvary Chapel education that over and over and over, I had men tell me the three prepositions.

[00:16:17] This Spirit comes in you but the Spirit will come upon you. And that understanding is crucial for the pastor, the church plant. Jesus says don't do anything until you're in dude with power from on high. And Jesus says, this is my doctrine,

[00:16:36] like this is his grand finale teaching before he enters heaven. So that's huge. And then after that in Acts 14, you see the people just waiting. There's this expectancy, the Holy Spirit's going to do something. And those are big ingredients for church planning success.

[00:16:56] A focus on the resurrection, our people understand the baptism with the Holy Spirit and out of that overflow comes the spiritual gifts and just spirit orchestrated cool stuff. And then when you can cultivate the people, like when you talk about the Holy Spirit, your people should be sent.

[00:17:16] Yes. Like yes. Like spirit's going to do something because those 120 people are waiting. And then you jump in and act chapter two and pin a cost comes and God does his thing. But just focusing on the people, you see a boldness to preach Christ. Right?

[00:17:32] And that's a given but it just needs to be re-arrated. John Stott said the church exists by the gospel, but the gospel spreads by the church. So whatever it looks like in your context, you got to get creative and you just got to get the gospel out

[00:17:49] as much as possible. And then after that there's a steadfast commitment to the four pillars, right? Acts 242. And I don't know if you've seen this, but a lot of churches don't get four out of four, right?

[00:18:04] Because you get some churches that get the doctrine and the prayer and worship and they take spiritual matters seriously, but their church is a little bit stuffy. No one's eating, there's no fellowship. And then you can get the other church where it's like a big social club.

[00:18:20] And it's exciting. They have programs for the kids. Everyone's having fun. They're eating. But there's not a serious commitment to the scriptures. And so I think every church wants to see Acts 243 happen, where there's signs and wonders coming from heaven and they're in awe of God.

[00:18:37] Well, there has to be a commitment in the people to these rhythms. And I think it was Jesus' way of getting his followers to obey the two most important commands. Love God, love people. Because when you're focused on the Paul's doctrine and the prayers, you're loving God.

[00:18:59] But when you can fellowship in E. Suci with your brother, it's like we're loving our neighbor, right? And so we see God just pour out these blessings. They were loving each other. It's just very simple ingredients. But by Acts 247, Jesus is looking down.

[00:19:15] And he's saying, I trust these broken people with you. I'm going to send them here. And as God looks down over every town or city at these churches, he's like, who can I send these broken people to?

[00:19:28] And an Acts chapter one and two, just those principles and to root those concepts into your people. It's so simple. But I guarantee church plant success. I really believe that with all my heart. I've seen it in my own life.

[00:19:44] And I've seen other people just that simple, simple model. What I love about this Josh is that you kind of come to these podcasts, you read books about church planting. You're a lot of young church planners myself included. Yeah. Well, I'm not young as young. I'm the one.

[00:20:01] Yeah, you are. You're young. And we're looking for, all right, just give me, tell me what to do. Step one, do you know, very practical, almost like kind of business minded kind of thing where, you know, how do I start a business?

[00:20:14] What you get open this, you get this building and you do this thing and you sure. So what I really appreciate about you and I'm glad that you're on the show is that first of all, it's back to the scripture.

[00:20:27] It's not like a step one step two step three easy kind of processing. It's basically God is the one that's going to build this church. And if you want them to do that, you need to follow the prescription in Acts chapter 1 and 2. I love that.

[00:20:44] And it's like, it's almost like at first, you know, just speaking honestly here, it's like, oh, you know, I'm waiting for something like profound like, like the silver bullet of what I can do to make this a success.

[00:20:57] And here you come in and say, here's the way it works. Follow the Bible. Trust that the Holy Spirit, you know, be filled with the Spirit. Because God's the one that's going to, I mean, because I mean, we all know this.

[00:21:11] We've seen the church landscape, especially in the States, you can, I think it was AWS or who said, if you, in the early church, if you removed the Holy Spirit from the church, it would fall apart.

[00:21:24] But in the churches today, if you remove the Holy Spirit, it would be business as usual. Yeah. So, and that's a problem because we can manufacture a church. We can create a church, just like you can create a business. You know, you don't have to be a Christian.

[00:21:38] There's non-Christians that are building churches. You know, we see that from the long-term fruit. So, I just love that. And I just want to reiterate that, that, get back to the scripture, be empowered by the Holy Spirit. Live in that resurrected life, Acts chapter 2 verse 42.

[00:21:56] So everybody who's listening can just write that down and some people are familiar with it. But if you're not Acts 242, and just to see here are those four pillars, you're doing this. You have a balance in it. You're not emphasizing one over the other. So, yeah.

[00:22:12] And what I love too is like, even those principles get you to the person of Jesus and relying on a spirit today. Yeah. So, Warren, where's be you, you say, methods are, many principles are few. Methods always change. Principles never do. I knew it was going to write.

[00:22:29] Yeah, you like that. And you close your nose. He's going to stop. He's going to stop. I got it. Let me do it. Let me get a Mr. Mike. You're right. Mine was like a butchering of the actual clothes. You're like this.

[00:22:41] You saw him got me to wrap on the podcast, but maybe one day. That was a wrap. I know exactly. You did it. So, yeah. But I just, I love that because what you're saying is so true.

[00:22:52] And those are steps, but there's steps to get you to seek God for the actual methodology. Yeah. And so many people go to the methods first and that method works in that moment for that person in this season.

[00:23:05] But the principles get you to Jesus who will always be the Lord of his church to work in that moment. That season for your life. And I would try to go to Jesus, obey him, love him, and forget the results of even a church. Yeah.

[00:23:18] Because I would always want to try other worship God and get to the person of Jesus and worship him than trying to go to meth in the get a result. Yeah. You know, so I love that man. And all those things, it all revolves around Jesus.

[00:23:31] Everything that I've just talked about. And it's, I think it was his intentional way of, you know, he shows up for 40 days. And we don't get a lot of details about those 40 days. But it does say three different times he sat down in eight a meal.

[00:23:46] He's teaching them resurrecting. He had a bad or new testament living. Yeah. And they probably didn't need sushi though because of the shelf fish and everything. Yeah, well, no, but there was a Peter.

[00:23:57] He saw the sushi in the when the, when the sheet came down with the unclean animals. There was sushi in there. There was some nice sushi rolls in there. He knows. I always would be a wish podcast of it. Like, oh, yeah, this is the bantering really random.

[00:24:14] That was the most amazing lesson I've ever had. And let's just add on to that a little extra. Yeah. Thanks for contributing to the conversation. All right. I think a lot of this is your, it's culture.

[00:24:28] You know, I planted one church and doing it a second time and doing it better. Paul said like, a wise master builder, I'm laying this foundation. And you have to have the confidence that the Lord's going to make you that.

[00:24:42] Like not, probably, but this has to be laid well. And so everything I've just talked about in Acts 1, it's just culture. What your culture is, you know? And what if you can get the people to follow these rhythms? I believe it's going to.

[00:24:57] If the guy is called, if there's a calling and you just stick to Acts 1 and 2, you'll start to see Acts 3 and on, you know. I want to go back to what you said on those four pillars and the balance in it because I really liked that.

[00:25:10] And I think it's important because a lot of us guys, especially Calvary Chapel guys, were in the word, were like, were people of the book. Yes. And it's almost like if you just teach the word and have that doctrine then it's going to be successful.

[00:25:23] But there was the breaking of bread and that wasn't just the communion, of course it was, the Lord's number. But it was actually they went from house to house, serring meals with one another. So here's my question about it.

[00:25:36] In our churches that maybe are stagnated because we're doctorally right? We're teaching the word every Sunday, but there's not really any life. It's kind of stuffy as you said. And how do we get the fellowship to happen?

[00:25:49] What can we do to encourage people to have those other pillars of the breaking of bread? Well, I think if there is a church that is committed to the scriptures, but not committed to hanging out, it's the pastor's fault.

[00:26:04] It's the pastor's fault because you're setting the tongue for the culture. So that means the pastor's not hanging out with people. So the people are, I would say it simply, the people are going to follow.

[00:26:15] But when you say that's kind of some of the like a negative kind of model we've learned from wherever is the pastor comes out of the backstage, goes up and teaches the message and then you never see him again until next Sunday. Do you do that?

[00:26:31] No, it's a day backstage. I have no backstage. Okay. And I don't have a green room. I'm setting up tearing down in the middle and all that ever stuffy. I guess it's closer to the floor. It's ours.

[00:26:40] Yeah, and I think that's what people I think appreciate about a small church or a new startup. There's opportunity to hang out, to grow, they see their gifts ability. And they are able to be like, I've had so many people say, I just appreciate I know

[00:26:54] I know you. Yeah. Like, I could just even know when they don't come to me, I'm like, you're available. You're so approachable. This is amazing. I know my pastor. I'm like, do you know me? Why don't you ever call me? Why are you ignoring me?

[00:27:07] I know, but it's super valuable. Yes. And it's easy to just slip in and out. That's kind of the flesh nature doesn't want to be vulnerable and make friends and everything. That's a key, I think, that vulnerability.

[00:27:21] And the Israelites, with we saw, they just wanted a guy to come in and out. They didn't want to know him. They wanted a king. And as long as he came and just waved into this thing.

[00:27:33] And I think maybe a temptation for pastors who have large churches is they're starting to realize that. I don't have to be with these people and they love me. I can just come in and out like, saw, but I don't want into a black saw. Yeah.

[00:27:47] I don't want into black here. And one thing I've heard too, and I tell people every small church tries to get big and every big church tries to get small. Meaning when you're a small church, you're really focused on the systems and the practice

[00:27:59] and training because you're naturally relationally. It's so super small, but when you're big, you have to actually strategically have systems to be small. Uh-huh. You know what I mean? And so as a pastor, you can't even 200 people now.

[00:28:12] Like you can't just go and I can't meet with everyone on my team every single week. But how do I create a culture and a system once a quarter, meeting with this person,

[00:28:20] are calling this person, are still being a part of a small group, but really setting that example, or even being in a cohort ourselves and community with other pastors to show it's valuable.

[00:28:32] Yeah, I mean oftentimes we tell people to say, hey, as bad as a church leader like, get a pastor, get into community, get into community community and then we're like, all too busy, I would have to try to make a community. You get into community.

[00:28:42] Yeah, no, just you. Just you. No, it's good for us. So I love what you said about just like setting that pace to did. And that example. Yeah, so here's another quote, Larry Osborne, I worked at a church pastor Ray Bentley

[00:28:53] in Maranatha, Chapel Big Church, Larry Osborne, Bigger Church, he wrote the book, Sticky Church, which is actually a great book about small groups and community groups. And why he said is, and he said this to our team because we went there were like, teach us your ways.

[00:29:09] So he said, first thing he said is, listen, pastors, pastors like Big Churches, but people like small churches. And he says, if you focus on those relationships, building like what we're talking about, that's going to be key to that success.

[00:29:26] And even the growth of the church will grow healthy rather than just like a big entertainment center type thing. When you emphasize the relational aspect of the ministry. It's huge. Like, you know, the guys I'm seeing at this conference, you know, seeing them once or twice

[00:29:43] a year, that's a lot of gas in my tank, right? Super encouraging. So if you're a church planner, don't isolate. That's isolation is the devil's playground. Yeah, you got to stay connected somehow, some way. That's great. Man, I want to be able to do that better.

[00:30:01] I want our churches or churchplasts to be able to do that better. So what would be your advice? As we're kind of winding down here on this episode, what would be your advice to those young churchplenders to really like Daniel and I talk about it all the time.

[00:30:17] We came up with us together to bake it in. It's a bake it in. I can't talk about it. He came up with it like I'm a part of the game of it together. That sounds inappropriate, like it's a drug thing. No, it's not a drug thing.

[00:30:31] Daniel Fusko, I'm going to give him credit. Okay. So he would not, what does I have? Like 15 years ago when we met and no one knew Fusko, he was born in the church plan, just faithful, amazing guy.

[00:30:44] And he said, listen, you got to bake it into your culture, into your DNA. The whole idea of planning, dragging out our culture. He's like, listen, if you want to generous church and set 10, 15, 20% of your budget right there, bake it in as you start, you set those standards.

[00:31:01] So just like a cookie before it goes in the oven, you're putting in ingredients, put your ingredients in right from the start. But the chalky chips in, you don't want them on the top to sprinkle it afterwards. No one's gonna be in it. It's gotta be in it.

[00:31:13] No, we want that to be in it. No, we want that to be in it. No, we want that to be in it. I mean, that's a personal reference. What the point is, if you want relational churches, you're emphasizing that from the get-go.

[00:31:24] It's not something you're kind of sprinkling on. It's something that's part of it. And you gotta make a part of it at the joke before it gets to bigger, bigger color of ration because otherwise you're gonna... I've got a baked that thing in, baby.

[00:31:36] Thank you, then the DNA. You do. You know, my church knows that. So I'm like, let's put it in a podcast that I give myself a good. No, no. It's like, oh my gosh, this is so fire. What are you sharing? And I feel like we're ruining it.

[00:31:49] No, no, no, no. No, no, no. You tell people something. You've all experienced this. You tell your team something. You think they got it and they don't got it. You gotta keep reiterating and... It's not that be important to you as the leader. It does.

[00:32:03] If it's gonna be important to everyone else. And by the time that you're tired of saying it is when you're actually a team, maybe you've gotten it. Yeah, you know? Yeah. And I think as a church planner, the larger your church gets, it's like, you're less worried

[00:32:19] about losing that one person. Right. You're stopped focusing on that. As a church planner, you're tempted to get away from your standards and your vision because you know if you keep going, these great people are gonna leave. You gotta be okay with that.

[00:32:36] You gotta be okay with losing people at the get go because it'll just take you longer to build your foundation. They're not gonna leave this year, they're gonna leave in two years later.

[00:32:46] So it's okay to stick with what you are and be okay with people leaving because ultimately God's gonna surround you with the great team that's on board and then you can keep building the culture.

[00:32:56] I want to take this opportunity just for our listeners to say if you need that connection you're listening to this, you're all alone, you've started off and it's not really going the way you want.

[00:33:06] Connect with us, cultivate church planting or you can check out the Calvary Global Network website and there's this little forum on there to fill it out say hey I heard the podcast or whatever and say I want to I want someone to connect with me.

[00:33:20] I'm looking for this kind of thing and we're gonna do that. We've got guys like Josh, we got guys like Daniel. We've got about 60 coaches right now that are in different regions that are easier to connect with some of these guys that are out there.

[00:33:32] I'm just letting you guys know, listen to this podcast. Josh, why don't you give us one more thing that's really on your heart right now? I do. I feel like I have a just a prophetic encouragement for any church planner out there and

[00:33:44] this is actually not my word it's Pastor Chuck Smith. Pastor Chuck had some dimes when it came to church planting and he said this he said you will not get immediate overnight results in a Calvary Chapel the style of it you just won't.

[00:34:01] He said it's always the third year that you'll see fruit and that was just his wisdom of sending out hundreds of guys he said he had so many guys in the first two years call

[00:34:13] and say Chuck it's it's not happening here there's no fruit I'm about to quit and Chuck would always say I think it came from his experience and watching other men he said if you're teaching the Bible it takes a few years to cultivate the soil to wet people's

[00:34:30] appetite and so it's the third year that you're going to see fruit. So I hope that encourage if you're thinking of quitting and you're starting just stay the course can teach in the word and wait for those results because we're spiritual farmers

[00:34:45] and so farmers are working hard today for results that they're going to get months later and so see your life in a season and if you're in a season of sewing in a later season you're going to see results don't quit.

[00:35:00] Hey man, Daniel what do you got to ask I don't think you can beat that but I mean I could do like you know you got any more brothers okay go you know we steadfast

[00:35:10] removal always about in the work at a Lord for you know your labor is not a vain and I was waiting for him to fit is scripture so you should have you should have that

[00:35:19] to take care of it was I started to preach you're thinking I was going to ride but no no I just also this also this I love Josh it's been awesome connecting with them

[00:35:28] it's fun to be able to bring in friends and people to expose to all of you church planners and people in Josh from the behind the scenes looking at your life you are godly amazing

[00:35:39] example to be able to see you and your church be so generous in a personal encouragement in actual finances and in training the work that you guys are doing I know that you are not

[00:35:52] going even though you can pull you know are going overseas you are having a great godly amazing kingdom impact and that's why I wanted to bring you on because we plan a few churches we want

[00:36:03] to go out there but you can stay and still be a coachable and mentor and do that work and it's amazing awesome thanks guys thanks again Daniel Josh great having you on thanks guys and thanks for your wisdom

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