What's New at CGN: Brian Brodersen's Changing Roles, Calvary Chapel Identity, & a New Initiative

[00:00:00] Hi, Pastor Brian Brodersen here.

[00:00:01] And I would like to invite those of you who are pastors, ministry leaders, anyone serving in the church to join us for this year's CGN International Conference.

[00:00:12] Our theme this year is Hope, Suffering and Glory.

[00:00:16] And we're going to be studying through the first epistle of Peter.

[00:00:22] It's going to be a fantastic time.

[00:00:23] We've got nine speakers who are going to be our main session speakers.

[00:00:28] We've got a number of fantastic workshops caring for your own soul.

[00:00:33] It's going to be a fantastic time.

[00:00:35] The dates are June 23rd to the 26th, and that's going to be held at Calvary Chapel Coast of Mesa.

[00:00:42] So if you're interested and would like to find out more, you can go to conference.calvarychapel.com.

[00:00:50] You can get registered there as well.

[00:00:52] And there's an early bird prize for those that registered before April 1st.

[00:00:56] That is conference.calvarychapel.com.

[00:00:58] God bless.

[00:01:04] Welcome to the CGN podcast.

[00:01:07] My name is Nick Katie.

[00:01:08] I'm the pastor of Whitefields Community Church in Longmont, Colorado.

[00:01:12] And along with Pastor Brian Brodersen, I will be your host this season.

[00:01:16] The purpose of this podcast is to share with you the stories of what God is doing through Calvary Global Network.

[00:01:22] This season, Pastor Brian and I will be speaking with a variety of guests about topics relevant to Christian ministry.

[00:01:30] We'll be giving updates about what's new with the network and what resources and initiatives we are spearheading.

[00:01:36] In this first episode, Pastor Brian and I discuss the changes that are taking place in his life and in his role at Calvary Chapel Coast of Mesa.

[00:01:44] As well as some updates on CGN in regard to our leadership, our identity, and what we're doing to serve churches and further God's kingdom.

[00:01:53] Here's the episode.

[00:01:58] Hi, Pastor Brian.

[00:01:59] Hey Nick.

[00:02:00] Good to see you.

[00:02:01] It's a new season of the podcast and we have a new name.

[00:02:05] We've rebranded it as just the CGN podcast, very straightforward.

[00:02:09] Yeah, I like simplicity so that keeps it pretty simple.

[00:02:14] Yeah, one of my favorite mantras that I've heard over the years that I like to implement is clarity over creativity.

[00:02:20] Sometimes good to be creative, but it's often really good to be clear.

[00:02:24] Yes, I think it's always good to be clear.

[00:02:27] Well, Pastor Brian, there have been some changes at CGN that we want to talk about and update our listeners on.

[00:02:33] Maybe you start out by talking about your changing role in your position at Calvary Chapel Coast of Mesa.

[00:02:39] Yeah, for those that don't know, I've been in a going on a four-year journey toward stepping away from the senior pastor role here at Calvary Chapel Coast of Mesa.

[00:02:54] And my son coming in to take on that lead role and me stepping aside here at the church to focus on a few other things here locally in the fellowship,

[00:03:08] but then also to dive deeper into some of the other things I'm doing, CGN being one of them.

[00:03:15] And of course, we have this desire to see lots and lots of churches planted.

[00:03:26] So that's something that I've been involved in intimately for 30 years or so.

[00:03:31] But when you're trying to senior pastor a church and a fairly substantial organization like Calvary Chapel Coast of Mesa is,

[00:03:41] your time is somewhat limited.

[00:03:43] So I'm looking forward to having more time to focus on the network and to see if we can get more churches planted.

[00:03:52] Yeah, that would be great.

[00:03:54] Well, so as you're transitioning your role, what will happen at Calvary Coast of Mesa?

[00:03:59] Yeah.

[00:04:00] So my son Char has been here for, like I said, going on four years now.

[00:04:06] So when he first came, he came in the first year.

[00:04:09] He just came alongside me to assist me.

[00:04:13] And the second year he was here, we met with the board of the church and I shared with them the things that God had put on my heart for the future.

[00:04:24] And the board was in agreement with that future vision.

[00:04:30] And then the following year we announced to the church that come January 2025, we would make the change over to Char being the senior leader and then me stepping aside and doing some other things.

[00:04:44] I won't be leaving the church at all.

[00:04:47] I'll still be teaching on a weekly basis and I'll still be involved in leadership decisions and a board member and things like that.

[00:04:56] But I will no longer be involved in the daily administration of the church.

[00:05:04] What would you say to those maybe who would say that by putting your son into that role or helping him into that role, that that's like a form of nepotism?

[00:05:13] Yeah, people will say that.

[00:05:15] And of course, people said that about me stepping into the role because I was Pastor Chex's son-in-law.

[00:05:23] So, you know, there were plenty of accusations that were thrown around and, you know, for myself and also for my son for the future.

[00:05:34] You know, Nick, I believe 100% in the call of God and I would never myself want to do anything that God had not called me to do, especially something as massive as lead a ministry like this.

[00:05:53] And I would never ever, ever want to put a burden like that on my son if he were not called to do it.

[00:06:01] I mean, I think that would be cruel actually, you know, to do that.

[00:06:05] And so yeah, you know, I'm not stupid.

[00:06:09] I know that unless you're called by God, if you're trying to do something he hasn't called you to do, it's just going to be a disaster all the way around.

[00:06:20] And I don't, I have no desire to set up my son for failure.

[00:06:24] I want to see him be blessed and succeed.

[00:06:26] So if it were not that he was called and his gifting as a teacher and a leader indicate his calling to some degree, I wouldn't even be moving in this direction.

[00:06:41] But that is the direction we're moving in because that's my conviction that that this is what the Lord has for the future.

[00:06:48] And, you know, for those who would bring that accusation of nepotism, you think, well, you know, the Bible is full of examples of generational ministry.

[00:07:03] God, of course, the whole history of the Kings is the leadership being passed from one generation to another.

[00:07:12] Now, the Kings didn't work out that well, but we were not going to let that hinder us because we do have the biblical examples of that.

[00:07:23] And of course, we have the Spirit who I think is leading us in this direction.

[00:07:28] So yeah, so that's where we're headed.

[00:07:31] Yeah.

[00:07:32] And Jesus had a couple of brothers who wrote books of the Bible and were apostles.

[00:07:38] Yeah.

[00:07:38] And James ended up leading the church.

[00:07:41] And I don't think it was because he said, hey, I'm Jesus's brother.

[00:07:44] Step aside, Peter.

[00:07:46] I'm in charge now.

[00:07:47] I think it was recognized by all that the Lord had raised up James for that role.

[00:07:55] Yeah.

[00:07:55] You know, I liked your comment there about like how it would actually be cruel to force someone into a ministry like that they weren't called to.

[00:08:01] It reminds me of this great quote by Charles Spurgeon where he was, you know, he had a school of ministers that he was raising up and teaching.

[00:08:08] And he had this quote where he told them, if you can do anything else, then do it.

[00:08:13] And I always think about that because there's a lot packed into that, right?

[00:08:16] There's along with that is that idea like what Paul says, like, whoa to me if I don't preach the gospel.

[00:08:22] Yeah.

[00:08:22] And if God is calling you to something, then you can't do anything else.

[00:08:26] Yeah.

[00:08:27] And so I think that's good.

[00:08:29] Yeah.

[00:08:29] And you know, you've perhaps have had people ask you this and I certainly have.

[00:08:33] You know, people have asked me like if you could do anything you wanted, you know, what would it be?

[00:08:37] Anything.

[00:08:38] Sky's the limit.

[00:08:38] You take, you choose.

[00:08:41] I would do exactly what I'm doing.

[00:08:43] I don't have any desire to do anything else.

[00:08:46] And I think that's what Spurgeon was getting at.

[00:08:48] You know, if you really prefer to do something else, if there's something else that would really bring you fulfillment, then you should go do that.

[00:08:57] Yeah.

[00:08:57] No, that's good.

[00:08:58] And on the nepotism thing, I think that, you know, years ago, I remember thinking about nepotism being like, yeah, nepotism is bad, but then someone challenged me on it and just kind of showed me some things from the scriptures and pointed out, you know, God's sovereign and sometimes God places people into families for a reason.

[00:09:16] And in those families too, you can, you know, be discipled in a way that perhaps you couldn't be otherwise.

[00:09:21] So.

[00:09:22] Yeah.

[00:09:22] And I think about my own experience of, you know, God placing me in Chuck's family.

[00:09:28] And I think it's pretty safe to say that had I not met and married Cheryl, I never really would have been a candidate to become the future pastor of Calvary Chapel goes to my side.

[00:09:39] I think, I mean, God maybe could have done it a different way, but I don't think that he would have.

[00:09:43] So yeah, I think the family connection.

[00:09:46] Of course, if you're doing it solely based on that and some have done that, and that's a mistake and it's proven to be a mistake.

[00:09:54] But if you factor in the call of God and you're seeking the will of God and your heart's right and pure in the matter, then I think, you know, it's good because it's God's will.

[00:10:07] And that's what my ambition throughout my entire adult life as a Christian in ministry has been to try to find the center of God's will and just camp out there.

[00:10:20] So that's what I've been trying to do.

[00:10:22] Yeah, I mean, on the nepotism claim, I mean, you could also point out the fact that Pastor Chuck had had sons and he didn't pass the church onto his own sons.

[00:10:32] Yeah.

[00:10:32] Exactly.

[00:10:33] But there was a desire to seek God's will for who should be the next person.

[00:10:38] Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:39] And I think even in Chuck's case, you know, I wasn't the only option.

[00:10:44] There were other besides his natural sons, there were other, you know, sons in the faith that were candidates as well.

[00:10:50] But you know, for whatever reason, he was of the conviction that I was to be the one.

[00:10:54] So and I was at the same conviction.

[00:10:57] You know, you know, when I was in that long season with Chuck and there were plenty of moments of frustration and wondering, gosh, you know, this is not going the way that we talked about it going initially.

[00:11:12] But there were plenty of times when I thought, I just want to pack up and head out and go do something else, you know, something that is fun like go plant another church or something like that, you know.

[00:11:25] And the Lord just would never release me.

[00:11:27] You know, he would never let me go and I would have well intended people come along at times and say, Hey, you know, you just seem to thrive over in Europe.

[00:11:35] You know, you want to go back there?

[00:11:36] And I would think, Yeah, you know, I would love to accept this one thing.

[00:11:40] I'm not going anywhere.

[00:11:41] God is not leading me and he wasn't leading me there.

[00:11:44] So yeah, well, let's talk about Europe and that aspect because with with you dialing back from your role there at Calvary Costa Mesa,

[00:11:54] then that opens up time for you to do CGN things.

[00:11:56] So what will that actually look like?

[00:11:57] Will it look like you getting to be in Europe more?

[00:12:00] Will it look like you traveling?

[00:12:02] What will that look like?

[00:12:03] Yeah, well, we've known each other for quite a while, Nick, and I we met in Europe actually when you were very young and you've aged a little bit.

[00:12:13] Yeah.

[00:12:14] And and you know, when I first I got involved in ministry in Europe in 1990.

[00:12:21] And then I moved to the UK in 1996.

[00:12:26] And when I moved to England, I could say that my my vision was primarily for the UK and Europe.

[00:12:36] And yet during my time of living in the UK and pastoring a church in the UK and having people from all around the world in our church.

[00:12:46] I I've told people that I went to England with a vision for Europe in the UK.

[00:12:50] I came home from England with a vision for the whole world.

[00:12:52] So, you know, since I came back, which has been gosh going on 25 years ago now, I've been involved in ministry in Canada and Australia and New Zealand,

[00:13:04] South Africa, all the British commonwealth countries, plus the Lord has led us down into South America and Central America and Mexico

[00:13:14] and you know, so I'm I just feel like man, the whole world is the whole world of course needs the gospel.

[00:13:26] And why not?

[00:13:28] Why not just let's just go as far and wide and deep as we can and let's plant as many churches that we can.

[00:13:35] So that that that's really what I want to try to do over the next however many years the Lord graces us.

[00:13:43] So update us a little bit on what's new with CGN.

[00:13:47] Yeah, some of the newer things with CGN is I have stepped back into a more direct role where I had stepped away from that for a few years and had a couple of other guys,

[00:14:06] you know, sort of sitting in that place of executive director.

[00:14:10] And I did that simply because I had so many things that I was doing.

[00:14:16] There was no way I could have really given the attention to it.

[00:14:19] That was needed.

[00:14:21] And the other guys, they had the vision and the desire to do it.

[00:14:24] And so for a number of years, that is what we did.

[00:14:28] But at the beginning of this year, it became clear that we needed to make a few changes.

[00:14:35] We needed to need it to make some adjustments really based on our financial situation.

[00:14:40] I think we had just become top heavy.

[00:14:44] And so just looking at the practical side of things, we had to make some changes.

[00:14:51] And so that resulted in Clay Whirl who was previously the executive director.

[00:14:58] Clay's moved on.

[00:14:59] He's now missions pastor with a friend working at Church Downs, San Diego,

[00:15:04] which is great for everybody.

[00:15:06] I think it's a good move for him, his family and for the church that he's gone to.

[00:15:11] And so that's opened up an opportunity for me to kind of just step back in.

[00:15:16] And as I'm slowly pulling away from what I'm doing here at the church,

[00:15:21] I'm finding that I'm focusing more and more times in C. Jan.

[00:15:27] Great.

[00:15:28] And what does that look like on a practical level?

[00:15:32] On a practical level, it's actually being in the office a couple of days a week with

[00:15:36] the team and we're in the midst of planning for our big summer conference right now.

[00:15:41] So we're doing all kinds of things that pertain to that.

[00:15:46] And planning for future events, of course, the initiatives that we have like

[00:15:52] cultivate that you're deeply involved with and expositors collective that you're

[00:15:57] also deeply involved with.

[00:15:59] And yeah, some of the other things just trying to be an encouragement to all

[00:16:03] of you guys and just come alongside and work together.

[00:16:08] I love, I think we've got a great team and I'm excited about the prospects

[00:16:13] for what's ahead.

[00:16:14] Yeah.

[00:16:15] So all the initiatives are just continuing on as they were before?

[00:16:19] Yep.

[00:16:20] Everything's continuing on as it was before.

[00:16:23] We've had just a slight adjustment that we haven't yet clarified that like on

[00:16:29] our website, but you know, we added the initiative that Ted Leavenworth has

[00:16:36] been spearheading and it's the leadership collective.

[00:16:39] So Ted's been sort of overseeing that.

[00:16:43] And now in a recent conversation I had with Ted when we were with you out

[00:16:48] in Longmont, I said Ted, why don't you just make that an initiative itself?

[00:16:54] And he was happy to do that.

[00:16:55] So I think that's going to be another great initiative.

[00:16:58] And he's been doing that podcast together with Rob Salvatto for quite

[00:17:02] some time now and basically just encouraging guys around a variety of

[00:17:07] different aspects of church leadership.

[00:17:09] Yeah.

[00:17:09] And I know that they're coaching people on leadership.

[00:17:11] They've even been out here to talk to me and I've reached out

[00:17:14] to them about different aspects of leadership.

[00:17:16] So I think that's a great initiative.

[00:17:19] And then of course we've got the when she leads initiative, which

[00:17:21] helped raise up women in ministry, which is really cool.

[00:17:25] Yeah.

[00:17:25] Yeah.

[00:17:26] That's a great thing and Brenda and your wife Rosemary and a few

[00:17:31] other ladies are doing, I think a really good job of that.

[00:17:33] Yeah.

[00:17:33] So the initiatives I'm really thrilled with the people who are

[00:17:40] leading those initiatives and the vision.

[00:17:42] And I think that there's, I think there's good things ahead

[00:17:45] for us with those.

[00:17:47] Yeah.

[00:17:48] Well, another thing that's new if we're kind of going through

[00:17:51] what's new at CGN is there's kind of been a refocusing on our

[00:17:55] identity as as Calvary Chapel.

[00:17:57] Could you speak to that for a moment?

[00:18:00] Yeah, I think there's been some confusion in the minds of

[00:18:03] some people because CGN is because we're a network and

[00:18:09] because we've wanted to have a little bit of a bigger tent.

[00:18:14] We have invited or we've opened the door for non Calvary

[00:18:19] Chapel churches who share our doctrinal positions and philosophy

[00:18:23] of ministry.

[00:18:24] We've invited them to come and be part of the network.

[00:18:27] And yet we are still Calvary Global Network.

[00:18:31] So most of the churches in the network are Calvary

[00:18:34] Chappals, the churches that were planting generally speaking

[00:18:37] 99% of them were Calvary Chappals.

[00:18:40] I've planted a number of churches.

[00:18:42] I've only planted Calvary Chapel churches.

[00:18:43] I've never planted a Presbyterian church or a Episcopalian

[00:18:48] church or you know, so this is what we do.

[00:18:51] We faster or we plant and pastor Calvary Chapel.

[00:18:55] So yeah, I think just some clarification all of us sort

[00:18:59] of talking felt like we need to sort of restate this

[00:19:04] that, you know, we are a Calvary Chapel ministry and our

[00:19:08] primary emphasis is to plant Calvary Chappals around the world.

[00:19:13] So yeah, but again, we're open to helping others as well.

[00:19:16] Yeah, and just as we're thinking about the network, Pastor

[00:19:18] Brian, what would you say to somebody who's maybe listening

[00:19:21] and they're like, you know what?

[00:19:22] I've got my church in my city and I'm just dug in here.

[00:19:25] You know, I'm focused here.

[00:19:27] Why do I need a network?

[00:19:28] Like what would be the point of that?

[00:19:31] You know, Nick, more and more I do see people that are fairly

[00:19:37] isolated apart from their local congregation.

[00:19:41] And I do think that there's something about that that isn't

[00:19:46] great.

[00:19:47] I think that you know, it's easy to just sort of get into

[00:19:53] your own little world and it's easy to kind of forget

[00:19:57] that the church is much, much bigger than we often think it

[00:20:00] is that it's a global thing and that we need each other.

[00:20:05] And so when I see guys who are pretty isolated, I think, you

[00:20:08] know, you guys need friends.

[00:20:10] You need encouragement.

[00:20:12] You have gifts that you need to share with others because

[00:20:16] you can be a blessing.

[00:20:17] So so yeah, more and more because I still do see a

[00:20:20] fair number of people that kind of just have decided to

[00:20:23] go it alone.

[00:20:25] And I think, well, now you can do that, but I don't know

[00:20:28] that it's the best way to do it.

[00:20:30] Not not only for you as a church leader, but I think for

[00:20:34] your people, it's not necessarily the best either because

[00:20:37] it tends to create a sort of this idea that, you know,

[00:20:42] we're it's kind of just us against the world.

[00:20:45] You know, we're the only ones and we're the real

[00:20:47] believers and and that all of that is very unhealthy.

[00:20:50] So when you get in a network with guys who are

[00:20:54] like-minded who generally share the same theological

[00:20:58] and doctrinal convictions, but also you recognize there's

[00:21:01] freedom in the spirit for people to, you know, not be

[00:21:04] in some rigid thing that they have to conform to.

[00:21:08] And you build relationships, you know, here I am a few

[00:21:12] years away from being 70 years old.

[00:21:14] I can't even believe that I can't even comprehend

[00:21:17] when I say that that is a reality.

[00:21:21] But the one thing that I have definitely come to

[00:21:25] appreciate more and more the older I get are the

[00:21:29] friendships that God's given me.

[00:21:30] And, you know, many of them go back decades and I'm

[00:21:35] enjoying life in ministry now with guides that I

[00:21:39] have been serving alongside her for 40 years and

[00:21:41] it's great and but it's also great to to meet

[00:21:46] new people and to develop new relationships.

[00:21:49] And so I want to encourage guys to do that.

[00:21:52] And so I think the network is a great way to do that.

[00:21:55] You know, my church here in Colorado, the average

[00:21:58] church member, you know, they they didn't come

[00:22:00] to our church because we were part of a network.

[00:22:03] But once they get into our church, I've heard

[00:22:06] from so many people how exciting it is for them

[00:22:10] like how excited they feel to be part of something

[00:22:13] that's bigger than just our local congregation.

[00:22:15] So we'll have people come through from, you

[00:22:18] know, missionaries from Ukraine or from we just

[00:22:20] had somebody from Peru speak at our conference.

[00:22:22] And it's like for them, it's just like opens up

[00:22:26] this world to them.

[00:22:27] Yeah.

[00:22:27] And I realize that not everybody has that.

[00:22:29] I spoke to some local pastors in town when

[00:22:32] the conflict in Ukraine began a few years ago.

[00:22:35] They were asking, you know, in this chat that

[00:22:37] we have together, does anybody have any connections

[00:22:39] in Ukraine?

[00:22:40] And not only do we have connections like we

[00:22:42] have deep long lasting relationships right because

[00:22:46] of this network.

[00:22:47] And so we just had a gathering here in Colorado,

[00:22:51] you know, the smallish gathering intentionally

[00:22:53] smallish, you know, so that we could have time

[00:22:56] to fellowship with other pastors.

[00:22:57] And there's a guy from a neighboring state who

[00:22:59] came and he told me that he's never had this

[00:23:03] level of camaraderie and fellowship in his life.

[00:23:08] And it's just keeping him going because he's

[00:23:10] church planting and it's hard and he gets

[00:23:12] discouraged and being able to have somebody

[00:23:15] to talk to or have somebody come out and visit

[00:23:17] him in person.

[00:23:18] Yeah.

[00:23:18] And what's cool for me in this network is like, I

[00:23:22] have people like I mentioned Ted and the

[00:23:24] leadership collective.

[00:23:26] I have people like that who are way ahead of me

[00:23:29] at church ministry and experience that I can

[00:23:32] reach out to and say, Hey, what do you think

[00:23:33] about this?

[00:23:34] And what should I do in this new scenario that

[00:23:37] I'm in?

[00:23:37] But also I have other people now who are

[00:23:40] calling me to come and consult with them

[00:23:42] because they're just getting started.

[00:23:43] And I think that that's really cool that it's

[00:23:45] not just like a top down thing, but it's very

[00:23:48] much reciprocal.

[00:23:50] Yeah.

[00:23:50] I love that too.

[00:23:51] And I love the fact that you know, the doors

[00:23:54] are open to two guys who are pastoring churches

[00:23:58] of any size.

[00:23:59] You know, it's not like we put some sort of

[00:24:02] number of people that you've got to have

[00:24:05] to have a legitimate church.

[00:24:07] And a lot of times you find guys, especially

[00:24:09] who are pastoring smaller churches, they do

[00:24:11] feel a bit isolated and they do feel like, well,

[00:24:14] you know, like kind of even sometimes a little

[00:24:18] bit abandoned, like, you know, who really cares

[00:24:20] about us out here.

[00:24:21] But that's been a passion, you know, that God's

[00:24:24] given me for, for lots of years.

[00:24:26] And so I love what we just did.

[00:24:29] I love that gathering with that group of guys

[00:24:32] and you know, some of the guys I knew, some

[00:24:34] of the guys I didn't know and just getting

[00:24:36] to know them and hear their story.

[00:24:39] Wow.

[00:24:39] It's always so encouraging.

[00:24:43] Yeah.

[00:24:43] That's cool.

[00:24:44] So what would be your final word for this new

[00:24:46] season, not just of the podcast, but this

[00:24:49] new season for CGM?

[00:24:52] Yeah, I would say, you know, let's continue

[00:24:54] to be men of faith.

[00:24:58] Let's continue to believe that God is at

[00:25:02] work.

[00:25:02] You know, I think we would all agree the

[00:25:04] world's kind of crazy right now.

[00:25:06] You know, it's probably most of history has

[00:25:09] been pretty crazy if you take the time to study

[00:25:12] history.

[00:25:13] But but we're in one of those moments where

[00:25:16] it I think the heat has been turned up and

[00:25:20] maybe is going to be turned up more.

[00:25:22] But what I want to say is let's not be discouraged

[00:25:24] by that.

[00:25:25] Let's recognize that this is our time.

[00:25:27] This is what the church was created for to go

[00:25:30] into a lost dark, sinful world with the

[00:25:34] glorious light of the gospel.

[00:25:37] And so let's keep doing that.

[00:25:39] Let's keep pressing forward.

[00:25:41] And you know, Nick, I know you know, you believe

[00:25:43] this too.

[00:25:44] Jesus called us to make disciples of all people

[00:25:47] groups.

[00:25:48] And I think when we look at scripture, we see

[00:25:51] that that plays itself out by the gospel

[00:25:55] being preached churches being established and

[00:25:58] people being raised up through the local church.

[00:26:00] So that is biblical discipleship.

[00:26:03] And that's what I want to continue to be involved

[00:26:07] in.

[00:26:07] And that's what I would invite anybody who has

[00:26:10] that same sort of passion, heart, vision, idea.

[00:26:14] If you're out there, you feel like you've got

[00:26:17] that, but you're sort of on your own.

[00:26:19] Well, come and join us and let's do it together.

[00:26:22] Amen.

[00:26:23] Yeah.

[00:26:23] So if anybody's out there and here's that call

[00:26:26] and wants to respond, go to cgn.org.

[00:26:28] You can find information.

[00:26:30] You can contact us through there.

[00:26:31] Find out about the different initiatives

[00:26:33] and things going on.

[00:26:34] And I encourage you subscribe to the podcast

[00:26:37] because we've got some good episodes coming up

[00:26:39] this season with some really interesting guests.

[00:26:41] So Pastor Brian, thanks so much.

[00:26:43] Okay, Nick.

[00:26:43] Thanks.

[00:26:48] Thanks for listening to this season of the cgn

[00:26:50] podcast.

[00:26:51] New episodes will be released every two weeks.

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[00:27:00] We'd love to hear feedback from you on these

[00:27:02] episodes.

[00:27:03] You can email us at cgn at Calvarychapel.com.

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[00:27:16] Until next time, God bless you.

[00:27:27] The Cultivate Church Planting Initiative is

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[00:27:32] Calvary Chapel church planters.

[00:27:34] You can learn more about the resources

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[00:27:42] Coming up on May 18th, we will be hosting

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[00:27:47] planting, discipleship and raising up leaders.

[00:27:50] And we invite you to join us at Forest Ridge

[00:27:53] Calvary Chapel on Saturday, May 18th from

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