Short-Term Missions: Blessing or Burden?

Welcome to Basecamp, where we equip Christians to go to the

darkest places and least reached people groups with the gospel.

My name is Mikel Collins and in this episode I sit down with

Jeremy Jenkins to discuss the value of short term mission trips.

There is a lot of critisism for short term mission trips nowadays.

And part of the reason for that is becuase there are a lot of bad

missions trips that don't actually help anyone other than the people who are

looking for their next instagram post.

But that doesn't mean we need to do away with short term missions entirely, and

Jeremy has outlined a handfull of things we can do to ensure that our short term

trips are a blessing and not a burden.

Welcome to Base Camp, where we equip Christians to go to the darkest places and

least reach people groups with the gospel.

My name is Michael Collins, and in this episode, I sit down with

Jeremy Jenkins to discuss the value of short term missions trips.

There's a lot of criticism for short term trips nowadays, and The reason for

that is because there are a lot of bad missions trips that don't actually help

anyone other than the people who are looking for their next Instagram post.

But that doesn't mean that we need to do away with short term trips entirely.

And Jeremy has outlined a handful of things we can do to ensure

that our short term trips are a blessing and not a burden.

Welcome to base camp.

So, Mike, the question of the day is, are short term missions good?

Short term missions trips.

So, I think the first thing would be, have you ever been

on a short term missions trip?

Yeah, I have, I've been on at least two.

Coming to mind, one was just pretty much a day that we had planned with this missions

organization in Shelby, North Carolina.

we put on this little event and then went door to door.

knocking on doors in this neighborhood near the event to just invite people

and talk to them about Christ and tell them we had some games for their kids

if they wanted to come down and we did gospel presentation and things like that.

and then when I was younger, I drove down to Louisiana after some

flooding down there maybe 2018.

I don't remember exactly when it was, but I was with Samaritan's Purse.

There'd been some flooding in this neighborhood.

and we were going to the houses during the day and cutting out drywall.

and I went underneath a single wide trailer and was cutting insulation

out that had just been ruined by this flood with a team of people.

And then whenever we finished on a house, we would present them with a Bible

And talk to them and pray with them.

And that was really cool.

Cause I went down by myself and I was one of the only.

Younger people there.

I was probably 19 at the time and, it was mostly retired couples and their RVs.

So this one lone 19 year old kid showing up, everybody wanted

to talk to me, which was cool.

Figure out why I was there.

Yeah, I think my first short term trip was actually in New Orleans as well.

it was after, Hurricane Katrina.

about 10 years before you were down there.

That was my first short term trip of any kind and then, years later, I would

begin, going on what seems to be a ton of different, international trips.

Now this summer, I believe is your first international trip of any kind.

Planning to go down to Guatemala for a week.

Never been out of the country before.

So I'm in the process of getting the passport.

I'm excited, but I really don't know what to expect.

and I'm excited, but I really don't know what to expect.

Are you familiar at all with any reasons why somebody would

be against short-term missions?

A question that I honestly have trouble answering myself,

which I'm curious to know how you respond to this, which is, you know,

it costs a chunk of money to send American teenagers or young adults

down.

to Guatemala or, yeah, anybody to another country for a week to do missions.

Would it not be More efficient and more impactful just to send the

money and hire somebody down there to do the work that needs to be done

or, or just to support the career missionaries that are down there.

I get that question all the time, especially from people online.

You know, they see your pictures on Instagram.

And, you know, inevitably there's always one person.

So it's like, wouldn't it have been better to just take all this money

and send it to the nationals there?

Or, you know, even for the hurricane relief trips, like, you know, they

have tradesmen in New York or Louisiana that could have done all that work, you

know, why not just send them that money?

And I think it sort of leads us to Really the need to even ask this question of

like, okay, I want to respond to those questions, with as much negativity and

antagonism as maybe sometimes those questions are asked in a lot of ways.

I, I'm, I'm willing to venture to guess that a lot of times the people

who ask those questions are not sending that much money themselves.

it kinda goes back to the old, I think it's Spurgeon of like my way of doing it

is better than your way of not doing it.

But beyond that, It is an important question to ask, like,

are short term missions good?

And, the American church has spent probably billions, if not, billions

and billions of dollars over the last 50 years, sending teams of American

Christians all over the world for the sake of spreading the gospel.

But we, I think we would be remiss to think that that's been as effective

as sometimes we think it is.

And so I wrote this brief little article on the website.

That was just kind of, a thought in my mind of like our short term missions.

Good.

And basically in my experience, like I've been on a ton, you know, I've been

to Asia quite a few times, the Middle East, Central America, and even here

in the States, some here in the States.

And basically the conclusion that I've come to is like, yeah,

they are, but only the good ones.

and there are good and bad missions trips.

And actually I would say, for listeners, I think, and especially for, two

pastors, I think this should be really convicting is that there probably are

trips that I've gone on that it would have been better to just take that money.

And send it to somebody in a different country.

that what we were doing was not worth the time and the effort.

And that's why I think that like this conversation and that article

is worth writing and reading and talking about, because I do think

there are really good trips.

And I do think that there are actual ways to do short term

missions where it is worth spending the money, and things like that.

And so, yeah, so basically I just, I think it was like three, four of things

that, like, you know, I just said, Hey, these are things that you should consider

doing, with all that time and money.

and I'm interested to hear your thoughts on these is the first one I said

is avoid having the savior complex.

you know, when you went down to Louisiana, I doubt that you probably felt this a ton,

but was there any thought in your mind at all of like, is there too much, is there

too much idea of like, Hey, we're really.

We're really bringing something to these people that they don't already have.

cause I know I've experienced that in some ways, especially on

the international mission field.

Yeah, not really.

Stateside.

When I went down to Louisiana, my mindset wasn't even on, I didn't

view that even as a missions trip.

A lot of times we don't, when we say missions trip, yeah.

We're not talking about Louisiana or New York after hurricane or Appalachia.

We're talking about getting on a plane and going over somewhere, somewhere

foreign where we need a passport.

Yeah.

But I went, I never spoke this to anybody, but I knew why I was going to Louisiana.

And It was mostly for me, honestly.

Like, I was glad to be doing something meaningful and helping people

every day with my time, but I went down there because I was looking

for an adventure of some sort.

I wanted to go and try doing something on my own.

You know, I was 18, 19, just Ready to try and go out in the world and do something

by myself away from my parents and in my hometown and So I was very much.

I knew that I was going down there because I wanted to help People but I also wanted

to do it Largely for myself to to get the experience and the adventure of

traveling and and doing it all on my own.

I think more people need to be honest that that

is part of the motivation.

Because when you bring that to the table and you say, Hey, I kind of recognize

something, deficients probably not the right word, but like, I kind of recognize

something in my life that is gonna be.

Is gonna benefit I'm gonna benefit from this trip and it's

gonna Progress my sanctification.

I think right away that helps you understand Kind of something that I

put in in this blog post, which is like hey, it's only a week Like you're not

gonna be able to really do that much.

Anyway, you know what I mean?

like especially in the international trips when I got On the van to

go down for this first trip.

I was traveling with a college group.

With a ministry that I was really close with and that I had worked

a summer camp ministry actually.

And our leader who was like a mentor in my life at the time Before we got

in the van stopped us and he was like, I have to tell you something really

important He was like jesus has has been in louisiana long before we're gonna get

there He's going to preserve Louisiana in the whole midst of us being there.

And he's going to be there long after we leave.

We're not bringing Jesus to these people, I think because that was my first missions

experience, it was really important for me to hear because I've kind of carried that

into a lot of my other, trips, especially even to places where it isn't as

evangelized is that, you know, ultimately if I'm going for a week, if I'm going

for two weeks somewhere and I don't know the language, I don't know the culture.

then I need to leave any sense of savior ism At home, because ultimately

I can't have a humongous positive impact where I'm going, but I can

have a humongous negative impact.

And so I think especially in regards to international trips, like from a mindset

heart issue of like, Understand your place in the world of the church, because most

of these short term trips are not going to like unengaged, unreached people groups,

and nor should they, because like those take a lot of strategy and, you need to

be networked with nationals on the ground.

And so ultimately, like for a missions pastor listening to this or a church

leader, Prep your teams, prep your students, prep your adults to know

their place in the global church and to understand that part of the

reason we're going, and we'll get to some of these other reasons.

But part of the reasons is like, Hey, it is for us.

there is a benefit for us to go and do these things.

and the role we're going to play is not going to be.

Sort of like this frontier missionary figure that I think we all like to think

of ourselves as it's actually going to be in a much more of a support based

role to the people who are already

there.

Like a feeling that you have to present yourself that way or you have to think

about it as that way especially if you're a youth member trying to raise support

and Give people a reason to to give you their money so that you can travel to

another country is like you feel like oh I have to emphasize all of the non

selfish Savior complex kind of reasons to go down there and kind of diminish

any reasons that I might personally have for wanting to go down there.

Yeah, what's funny is like, At our church, like we don't do

a ton of building buildings and, and, and doing some of the more

typical Western mission strip things.

and part of that is because, you know, ultimately Americans don't know how

to build Guatemalan buildings and, American electricians don't know

how to do electrical in Guatemala.

And so actually historically, the church has learned some hard

lessons about building buildings.

Missions in general, because even full time missionaries for a long

time, when the Western church really started sending modern missionaries,

what they found was that like, we would go build American buildings.

We would build American churches.

We would play American Christian music.

But then when the missionary would go home, the church movement would die and

they began to figure out that it was like, Oh, it's because they don't know how

to fix and maintain American buildings.

they don't resonate with American, Music.

I think on a much smaller scale, like we've seen the same thing happen

with these Western short term teams that sometimes have that same sort

of like, well, we need to go show them the right way to do things.

But what's unfortunate is what you just said, which People feel

like, well, I need to emphasize what I'm doing to raise money.

And I think that's actually where, like from a church perspective,

like we need to raise up healthier mission sending cultures in our

churches to where people understand.

No, actually sometimes it's, and we'll get to some of these other

things about like, what really should you be doing if you're not going.

You know, to be this pioneer missionary for a week, which is ridiculous.

Well, those oftentimes these other things don't raise money the same

way that building a building or being, a pioneer missionary, does.

I'm not speaking ill of the building project mission trips at all But I do

think that they're not as effective as sometimes people think that they are I

think that they make great pictures on Instagram But at the end of the day, like

I think there are more fruitful things that we can be doing With our short term

teams, once we realized that they're starting with a handicap, they don't know

the culture, they don't know the language.

they're probably going to be jet lagged for the first day,

depending on how far away they are.

you lose a day going there and going back.

with four and five days, how effective can we really be?

I think these other things that.

that I put forward, are some of the answers.

The first one, and Mike, you'll experience this when you go to Guatemala, you'll

be working with some dear friends of mine, who will then become dear

friends of yours as well, is serve and care for career missionaries.

I think not enough gets made of this.

I think that, just hearing a lot of my friends who serve full time

overseas, Tell me summer after summer that for two or three months that they

pretty much just become tour guides

They have to arrange all these community projects and then two or three days

of each week, they spend driving teams around to random tourist destinations.

And they do this because at the end of the week, they're probably going to stand

some sort of financial benefit from this.

But what ends up happening is like career missionaries spend their whole summer

doing this, at least the ones I know.

And then.

They're glad to see those teams go because while it might have been a

financial benefit to them, it was not a spiritual or an emotional benefit to them.

Like they're even more exhausted than they would have been

if they had just continued.

doing the work, that they were called to do.

And so basically I put forth in the blog post is like, what if we built

our short term endeavors to be a breath of fresh air to career missionaries?

You know, cause you'll see Mike and I, and I doubt this will be the last

time you travel internationally.

In fact, I hope it's not.

I'd love to take you to some pretty wild places, in Asia, but, oftentimes

these are people who like, they don't ever get to speak their language.

you know what I mean?

Like when you get down to Guatemala, you'll be with our friends, Richard

and Laurie, like they've had to labor over the last handful of

years to become fluent in Spanish.

And so like, they don't even speak English to each other as much as they used to,

because they sort of have to learn this.

And so the joy of having a team sitting around in their living room to just be

able to speak English with, you know, and to, to just like express care to

them, you know, help take care of their kids, be community for their kids.

And like, for a missionary kid to be able to be like, Hey,

let's play a game, you know?

And like, I think people like, once again, that doesn't raise funds

necessarily as well as some things.

but actually I think it's, it's probably.

It's probably has a has a more long standing eternal impact because these

are the people who are going to make Real gospel difference in these places,

you know Because they have done the hard work of learning the language

learning the culture and they're going to be there longer Longer than

a you know, and so yeah, I so I think Taking care, being a breath of fresh

air, for career missionaries and even nationals to, you know, people who, who

are from the place that we're going.

and so, yeah.

I don't think people like to feel that way, but you know, sometimes

when I'm traveling, I'll pay a tour guide to do something.

when I pay that tour guide, like that tour guide is my employee, so when I was

in Egypt, I paid a tour guide to take us around to show us the pyramids and the

Sphinx and all these other cool things,

We pay this guy to show us around and I don't view myself as his boss or

whatever, but he's an employee, there's a transactional type relationship and

I think sometimes we don't realize that we do the same thing to these

career missionaries that it's just Like, Hey, we came here to help.

So, you know what, we need to get a couple of tourism days in there and,

drive us around and negotiate our market purchases and all that stuff.

And not that that stuff's always bad, But yeah, so I said in the article,

instead of insisting that our short, short term trips make us look like

heroes, what if we make the full time, the full time missionaries feel like those

who should be admired and encouraged?

and so it's as simple as this, like, so our friend JR, he has a habit of every

time he goes overseas, like he'll pack as many things of like peanut butter.

and like snacks, he'll, he'll, he'll like call ahead to like, a missionary

friend that we're going to, and he'll be like, what are your favorite snacks?

Like, what are your favorite things?

You know, and then load up on those, you know, it can be so simple, you know,

like that, but just at the end of the day, like, it doesn't make as good of

pictures, but leaving the savior complex at home and then just turning around

and saying, okay, well, we're going to.

We're really going to love these people and care for these people.

Even if it means that not all of our time is spent, quote unquote, doing

something that's going to make us feel like we've, man, we brought so much good

stuff to these people who are far from God, and investing in those missionaries,

the, another thing that I think makes a good short term.

Trip and really this is more of like a cultural thing, which is

developing a global view of the church.

I'm excited for you.

I anticipate that you'll even notice things in Guatemala and Central America

of like differences in culture, in church, in Christian culture, even in Central

America, that Will broaden your view of like, Oh, I didn't even realize it.

But some of the things that I take as this is just what Christians do.

It's actually what American Christians do.

And it's not exclusive.

Like it's, it's not like this is what Christianity is.

Oh, this is American Christianity.

And not that that's a bad thing automatically, but short term trips

can be an amazing opportunity for American Christians to learn that

the church is bigger than we thought.

I remember traveling in Asia for the first time.

And realizing that the term southern hospitality that we use a lot, you know,

that like, what we think is hospitality is, is not really that hospitable at all.

and you'll see the first time, like you come to Asia that like, Not just the

Christians, but people there in general extends such wholehearted hospitality and

warmth to, to people that they don't know.

And it made me realize I was like, Oh, like we think we're being hospitable

in the States, but we're actually not.

And I don't think I would have learned that had I not traveled.

Extensively to see those things, you You've grown up in the church,

in the States, do you feel like we ever have sort of like a.

Cloistered or like closed off view of what it means to be a Christian.

You know, that can be broadened by, travel in general.

absolutely.

I think, we don't even think that somebody from a different denomination

is a Christian sometimes, so definitely, we can have a narrow view, I think

Americans in general can have a narrow view of, Humanity and what culture

is really, but, yeah, Christians, especially, there's a spectrum of that,

not everybody is that hardcore in their specific denomination and all those

little differences, but absolutely.

I think traveling, engaging, seeing something that's different than what

you, Are used to or we're expecting.

Is one of the, maybe the only really effective way to, to change

your worldview without seeking it out, I guess if in some sense,

Yeah.

I think some of it happens through kind of osmosis because, you know, like

when I started traveling, you know, it was four missions, but really quick, I

learned it was just like, Oh, I think I'm going to learn more in some of this.

And I'm the person who's like speaking at this event or whatever, because the

other thing too is like, And I don't know if it's because the American church has

presented itself as sort of the savior figure, or if it's just that people

assume this of us, because, you know, we have been such a leader on the global

stage for a long time, is that, like, pretty much everywhere I go, you know,

I experienced some sense of like, Oh, man, like, they're really excited that

I'm here, you know, and I'm oftentimes, You know, a featured speaker at some

conference that international or whatever, and it can make you feel really good.

But when you begin to realize like how much more you're learning, then you

experience a kind of a humility from that, which is like, Oh, actually, I

don't really think I need to be the person who's being celebrated here.

Because I kind of feel like a child.

And like I mentioned, the hospitality of Asia, but Probably one of the biggest

impacts I had was like, you know, we think we're bold in our witness here

in the States, but when you travel in a place like the Middle East and you

see how bold brothers and sisters in that part of the world are, despite

the fact of, constant threat of harm or persecution is, it makes you more bold

in your witness back home, you know?

that's why we've even started, the engaged network, which is really beginning to

try and do stateside missions the way that we do international missions,

which is very people group oriented.

trying to reach, particular communities and, religious groups with the gospel.

what we have found is that oftentimes people go overseas or even stateside,

they'll go on a trip and they get really fired up to share the gospel.

But then when they come home, it's like their church isn't ready to receive them.

there's nothing for them to, to Sort of emulate what they did overseas.

because yeah, when you go to a place like the Middle East or Asia, and you see

how passionate Christians are there for sharing the gospel, despite the lack of

freedom, when you come home, you should be motivated to share the gospel even

and that seems to be another benefit of, some of the benefits of going are

because hopefully you can have an impact on the people there, but then taking

everything that you've learned back to your church back at home and trying to

implement it the way you're talking about with local missions, but then also just

sharing, I think, with your church body.

Some of those eye opening moments of, of culture and what hospitality looks

like and Christian, the, what you've understood to be Christianity is actually

American Christianity and, you know, just everything that you're learning,

bringing that back and, and teaching others at home and sharing it with people

Yeah.

good short term trips.

Good short term endeavors should be about sharpening and

training for ministry at home.

Short term trips should have an event.

Like they shouldn't just be about caring for these career missionaries.

They shouldn't just be about developing a global view.

Those should be a focus, but there should be an evangelistic aspect to them.

understand that, like, ultimately your evangelism as an outsider

is almost never going to be as effective as an insiders would be.

Your evangelism is most effective at home.

It's most effective in the culture where you're from.

In the language that you speak in the place where you're not an outsider.

So these evangelistic short term trips should be done in concert with

longstanding mission partners who can ensure that we're working effectively,

that we're not doing more harm than good.

The American church should be doing more prioritizing of the mission

field at home in the States.

Not because it's more important, but because we have neglected it for a

really long time and I say in the article that the United States is much less

reached than we think and as far as I can see the United States is one of the

few or possibly only Churches on the planet that spend most of our time and

money in missions outside of our home context Most national churches, if you

want to look at it that way, are not spending most of their time and money

sending to other countries, but we are.

And what that's done is it's caused us to dramatically miss the fact that the

United States is becoming more and more post Christian, that younger generations

are leaving the church in droves.

We take missions trips and think that we're bringing something to these other

cultures that they don't have when statistically, many of these places that

we're sending to have larger percentages of devout Christians than we do.

And so we need to actually start sending people overseas for a week so

that they can be sharpened and trained to come home and plug into something

like the engaged network to reach their context here in the States.

I think if we started viewing short term trips like that.

Of like, Hey, we go to South Asia to teach and train people on how to reach

South Asians, and then we come home and try and reach South Asians here.

your church can do the same thing, and instead what we usually

see happen is, team comes home.

They stand up on stage.

They talk about how great the week was and they talk about how

fired up they are for the gospel.

But that team might not share the gospel.

Again, until next year's trip.

I think we'd all be embarrassed to say how often that's the experience we have.

And part of it is the church doesn't have anything that does missions

the same way that we do overseas.

which once again, that's why the engaged network I think is so important, but

then also while we're overseas in these contexts where we're, passionate about

learning how to share the gospel, how to be a bold witness in our faith.

we need to be honest and say, Hey, we are actually going to try and take as much

from this trip as we can in the form of training and equipping because the real

trip starts when we land back at home.

And I think if we did that and we did all of those things, leave the savior

complex at home, care for career missionaries, Look around and develop

a global understanding of what it means to be a Christian and then really try

and ring as much out of that trip in the form of training and equipping and

building up of that team to come home and Really be mobilized for the sake

of the gospel that I think then the answer is short term trips are good

Yeah, so it seems to be, it seems to me that the biggest difference

between a bad short term missions trip and a good one is the mindset

and the goals of the people who are

going on

the trip.

I think if your why, like, so missions pastor, youth pastor, listen to this,

you know, whoever, if your why for this trip is that we do it every

year and everybody really enjoys it.

And we need to go and build a couple of buildings and get pictures of us building

a building get pictures of me with, you know, somebody who looks different than

me so I can put it on Instagram and we're going to come home and, you know, we're

going to go up on stage and everybody's going to celebrate us like we're heroes.

take that trip.

Don't, don't take that trip, cancel it, and either, and either raise the

money and send it to people who, who are already there, who are doing the work of

the ministry there, or just don't do it.

Stay home, you know, because honestly, sometimes those

things do more harm than good.

and they really lend themselves to, churches in other contexts, having a

dependency on the church in the States.

what I've begun to see is honestly, I think oftentimes the global church is

looking at the church in America right now as if we're tone deaf, because we don't

understand that there's a fire at home.

Why are you sending your most passionate believers everywhere else?

Why are you spending all of your money on churches outside of your context

when the church is dying at home?

And so, yeah, I think your mindset.

And then the goals of the trip, the why of the trip is it needs to like

every year, the missions pastor, the youth pastor, whoever it is, needs to

sit down and reevaluate those things.

and then I personally, I mean, I've said I'm biased, you know, because

like we are a tap, but, I think every church needs to have something like

the engaged network to come home to.

Like when you send those people, they're going to come back passionate.

They're going to come back ready to get after it and in sharing their faith

back home, that should be the goal.

And if you don't have a way for them to do that, then it's going to fizzle out.

And then next year, the whole thing's going to happen

to fizzle out.

Next year the whole thing is going to happen.

So the Engage Network, we

want to.

So the engage network, we started this year in 2024.

And what it is, is it's, churches partnering with ATAP, to, engage, the

darkest places and least reached people in their city and region with the gospel.

And so the way that we do that is, churches.

Reach out to us and we go through a process of just evaluating, making

sure that we're like-minded, and then we enter into kind of a long-term

partnership with that church, where Atap provides in-person and online

training in, evangelism, discipleship, leadership, world religions and worldview.

as well as just kind of ongoing coaching for leaders.

And really what it is, is we wanna see.

In the context of that church mission teams that really

resemble international teams.

Like, you know, if you're in, if you're in the Northeast of the United States

in a place like Trenton, New Jersey, for instance, which is a place that I'm

really praying about us beginning to see a network church raise up is that's a

place where it's full of South Asians.

So we want to raise up in churches in Trenton, New Jersey, teams of believers

who are missionaries to the South Asian And, other communities in that area.

and so it's a way to heavily invest in these mission team leaders that raise up.

And then it's a strategy and, system that when you have a

team go overseas and come back.

When they come to you, pastor, and say, Hey, I really want to do missions here.

The way that we were doing it over there.

is it's a way to be able to say, well, Hey, we're doing that.

Like get join one of these teams.

And so in our church, you know, we have a team.

For, we're kind of in Redneckville in here in Western North Carolina.

So we have a team that's really just geared towards nominal Christians,

and de churched Christians.

And so that team is engaging people who kind of are like, yeah, I walked an

altar when I was seven years old, but I haven't been following after Christ.

It's like, so there's missionaries on that team who really have a heart

for that and are kind of trained for those kinds of conversations.

We have a team geared towards the South Asian community.

A team geared towards spiritual agnostics and neo pagans, a team geared

towards Latter day Saints and Jehovah's Witnesses, a team geared towards the

Spanish speaking community, which is largely nominal and de churched.

And then we have a team geared towards the area directly around our

church, the shadow of the steeple.

And so we're trying to raise that up in churches all over the country There is a

financial partnership aspect to that That really just helps us cover the, the, the,

cost of training and things like that.

And, and yeah, so, but no, that's, that's the thing I'm most excited

about in the context of ATAP this year and moving forward as well.

and it's because of conversations like this, cause I've gone on, you know, a ton

of mission strips and I don't know the percentage, but a number of them, probably

I might've been better staying at home.

Yeah, you know, and I'm not, I don't really want to be about that.

You know, we want to be effective everywhere we go, but we have

to be effective at home long before we go anywhere else.

And so that's what we're, that's what we're

Take good short term trips.

Be willing to say that, Hey, this one's not worth our time and money and we'd

be better off doing something else.

That doesn't mean fold up shop.

That doesn't mean stop going international.

It just means do it well.

And if you're doing that, then man, keep going, you know, but

then also have something for people to plug into when they get home.