S6.E5 - Leaning on the Wisdom of Others

[00:00:00] Episode 5 of Season 6 of the Leadership Lessons Podcast. I am Daniel Williams, your host and

[00:00:09] always excited to grow and learn in our leadership with one another. We're on a journey together,

[00:00:14] aren't we? Having many seasons, what I try to do is I get leaders to share wisdom with

[00:00:19] us and pass it on to other people. And so I'm so excited that you're here whether

[00:00:24] you've been here for many seasons or you want to go back and listen to the archives.

[00:00:29] Man, what a blessing it is to grow and to serve and the things that God's called us to do. And I hope that this

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[00:00:45] I love serving the church. I love church leaders. And in this episode, I'm going to do something a little bit

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[00:00:57] Last episode, I had a conversation with a local church planner. It was awesome. I love Jeremy, Jeremy

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[00:02:11] discuss it with one another. And it's so helpful and healthy to grow with other men and

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[00:02:27] try to watch a video and discuss it for 75 minutes every second Wednesday of the month. And

[00:02:32] we're in the spring season being very practical about how God's wired us and spiritual

[00:02:37] practices and thinking about challenges differently. And I want to just pull back the curtain,

[00:02:41] not only of what we do here at EE leaders, but also just my crazy mind. I shared a lesson about

[00:02:48] how to glean wisdom from others. And so in this episode, you're going to hear me refer to some

[00:02:54] of those back episodes that we've preached and talked through. But then also I lean into this new

[00:03:01] subject of how do you learn from other people? And this is something I'm very passionate

[00:03:06] about. This is, I think, something important. And it's how to do this. And so I hope it's

[00:03:11] a very practical episode for you. Usually we have a lot of guest speakers, but because

[00:03:17] of the season and because I'm a part of another cohort, a European cohort where I'm going to

[00:03:22] school at, I'm actually in Europe right now with some other guys learning about church

[00:03:27] planning movements, church planning training, speaking over in Belgium, I'll be in Wells,

[00:03:32] London, and then even in the Netherlands. And so it's going to be a whirlwind trip.

[00:03:37] And I thought, you know what? I should record this episode. And before I just forget about

[00:03:43] my systems, my rhythms, because I'm going to be busy in a week and a half. So I currently

[00:03:49] am in Europe. Hopefully I'll be back, Lord willing with great stories to tell as I'm venturing

[00:03:55] going to school, growing my leadership ability and just meeting missionaries and

[00:04:01] church planners over there and doing ministry over there. And so, man, if you ever

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[00:06:02] this lesson on how do you glean wisdom from others? And just, I hope that

[00:06:07] it blesses you, enjoys you and you can see a little bit behind the curtain

[00:06:10] of how I think. And I'd love to hear your thoughts of how you do this

[00:06:14] as well. We'll see you in the next episode and enjoy this leadership

[00:06:18] lesson. Well, it is so good to be back with you to continue to grow

[00:06:24] in our leadership together. Today what I want to talk to us about is

[00:06:28] leaning on the wisdom of others, leaning on the wisdom of others. Now,

[00:06:32] for review's sake, we first talked about God and how He's wired us.

[00:06:37] It's been a very internal focus because we're uniquely made,

[00:06:41] fearfully and wonderfully made. We know what the scripture says,

[00:06:43] not only in our gifting but our calling, our personalities and God

[00:06:47] shapes us through circumstances, through people. And it's important to

[00:06:50] know how we're being shaped by God and use the gifts that God's

[00:06:54] given us. And to recognize He loves us, He knows us and even our

[00:06:58] perfections when we're weak, He is strong. And so we want to just be

[00:07:02] faithful to that calling to understand that because I tell

[00:07:05] people all the time there's nothing, nothing better than doing

[00:07:08] what God has called you to do. So we want to know that calling,

[00:07:11] we want to know that giftings, we want to assess that, we

[00:07:14] want to move forward that in our leadership. The next

[00:07:17] leadership lesson we talked about was rethinking our current

[00:07:20] challenges. Now, you may have a great and clear calling, but

[00:07:23] you're going to still have some opposition, right? Let's face it,

[00:07:26] we live in this world that's broken and there's spiritual

[00:07:29] warfare. We fight against sin, Satan and the flesh. And so

[00:07:33] there is opposition to the things that we want to do and

[00:07:37] especially in our calling to serve the Lord and His church.

[00:07:41] And so their challenges that come up in ministry, we need to

[00:07:43] rethink our renew our mind to what God's word says constantly

[00:07:49] claiming the promises of God and going to Jesus for clarity

[00:07:53] on how to think the challenges that we face. And so as leaders,

[00:07:56] we need to be followers always getting His perspective, His

[00:08:01] directive from the Lord. I know that we all know this trust

[00:08:04] in the Lord with all of our heart, lean on on our own

[00:08:06] understanding, but in all our ways acknowledge Him and He'll

[00:08:09] direct our paths. But it's a lot harder when you have to

[00:08:11] fact actually do that right? When it's a functionality and

[00:08:15] not just a theology. And the Bible says we're blessed when

[00:08:18] we actually walk this out. And so so far in our

[00:08:21] leadership lessons in our cohort time, we've been talking

[00:08:24] about our wiring are calling walking in that wisdom growing

[00:08:28] in that it's been very internal. And today what I want to do

[00:08:32] and I want you to see is we need to grow not only

[00:08:34] internally but externally and how God has graced us with a

[00:08:38] gift of community to grow in our leadership. And so God has

[00:08:42] not created us just to be growing internally through

[00:08:46] spiritual disciplines but externally through fellowship

[00:08:50] through disciplines of being in fellowship and learning

[00:08:54] from one another. We know that our God is a triune God and He

[00:08:58] made us in His image. And so man, it matters that we walk

[00:09:03] in our leadership like God is and calls us to and follow

[00:09:07] His ways as He was a triune God walking in love. It's

[00:09:10] not just what we do. It's how we do it. We need to

[00:09:12] walk in love and do this in community. And so we often

[00:09:17] say this at CGN. We are better together. We are better

[00:09:21] together. You probably know this verse but it's worth

[00:09:24] repeating Ecclesiastes four nine through 12 to are better

[00:09:29] than one because they have a good reward for their

[00:09:32] toil for if they fall, one will lift up his fellow but

[00:09:36] woe to him who is alone when he falls and has not

[00:09:40] another to lift him up again. If two lie down together

[00:09:44] they keep warm but how can one keep warm alone and though

[00:09:48] a man might prevail against the one who is alone two will

[00:09:52] withstand him and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.

[00:09:58] The Bible makes it clear in scripture that we should be

[00:10:02] in community. Yes, you and I even as pastors, church

[00:10:05] leaders, missionaries, church planners, we all should

[00:10:08] be in community and this is a gift of grace of God.

[00:10:12] Even if it's sometimes hard is iron sharpens iron there's

[00:10:15] going to be some sparks but it's good for us and we grow in

[00:10:18] that. God doesn't want us to be alone isolated and to miss

[00:10:22] out on the blessing of hearing from other leaders to walk

[00:10:25] us through challenges and situations we go through.

[00:10:28] And so what I want to tackle in this video is how do we

[00:10:32] build community for our lives personally and for our

[00:10:37] leadership, our calling the things that God's called

[00:10:39] us to because the reality is we need wisdom to serve God.

[00:10:43] This is what James one five is all about right if anyone

[00:10:46] lacks wisdom, man, let him ask God who gives generously and

[00:10:51] without reproach it will actually be given to us.

[00:10:54] And so oftentimes we misdirect that verse and we fail to

[00:10:59] realize that God not only gives us direction and vision

[00:11:04] and wisdom from his word and in prayer but through these

[00:11:07] other disciplines like community. And so man God gives

[00:11:11] wisdom by his grace through others but we need to be

[00:11:15] humble enough to accept that to know that and so oftentimes

[00:11:19] God gives wisdom through community as well as our own

[00:11:23] quiet time or personal time. Listen to what Proverbs

[00:11:26] says on the subject of wisdom and community,

[00:11:29] wisdom and community Proverbs 15 verse 22 says

[00:11:34] without counsel plans fail but with many advisors they

[00:11:39] succeed Proverbs 11 24 where there is no guidance a

[00:11:43] people falls but in abundance of counselors there is

[00:11:48] safety Proverbs 24 6 for by wise guidance you can wage

[00:11:53] your war and in abundance of counselors there is

[00:11:56] victory. Now I'm sure there's more verses and

[00:11:59] Proverbs on the importance of wisdom through community

[00:12:02] but you get my point don't neglect this.

[00:12:05] Realize this is an asset to your leadership people can

[00:12:09] actually bless you they're not the enemy God uses his

[00:12:12] body and uses people with gifts and abilities talents

[00:12:15] wisdom that have gone before and and can actually serve

[00:12:19] you and grace you with wisdom as you go to them

[00:12:22] and you glean with others that have gone before

[00:12:25] you and so what I want us to understand is God not

[00:12:28] only gives us wisdom through his word and prayer

[00:12:30] but he also gives us this grace as well and recently

[00:12:33] I put this to the test I was in a situation where

[00:12:37] I need a counsel this is a big situation I'll be able to share it publicly soon

[00:12:44] but it wasn't just not dealing with me my family but our whole entire church

[00:12:48] and and I had to ask and bring in my community and ask

[00:12:51] trusted leaders people that were faithful wise people that have gone

[00:12:55] before just to input to pray with me to bear

[00:12:58] this load it was a heavy load and the decision and it was so helpful so good

[00:13:02] because the weight was huge and I find oftentimes if you're in community the

[00:13:07] weight becomes a little lighter you find yourself not alone

[00:13:11] and this is such a good thing to have as church leaders to build

[00:13:14] a community of support especially in times of emergency

[00:13:18] are when situations like come up and you need direct wisdom

[00:13:22] and so we have to build community now though

[00:13:25] because it's when we come up with a situation or an emergency

[00:13:28] it's too late in a crisis we need to start now and be thinking about that now

[00:13:33] and so man I hope I convinced you community matters right I hope I convinced

[00:13:39] you but let me just let me just talk about how

[00:13:44] how now some personal wisdom from me to you

[00:13:47] about how you build community and how you glean wisdom from others

[00:13:52] and I hope that they'll be helpful as they've been helpful to me five things I

[00:13:56] want to just give you how do you do this number one is this you need to listen

[00:14:00] to wise counsel having 50 foolish counselors

[00:14:05] does you know good okay when it talks about a multitude of counselors if they're

[00:14:09] all foolish not seeking Jesus and and in tune with the

[00:14:12] spirit it doesn't you know good multiple of counselors are fools won't

[00:14:17] help all right and so we need to be careful as leaders

[00:14:20] especially as pastors church planners missionaries who we listen to

[00:14:24] you know are they godly asking questions is their fruit in their life

[00:14:28] can they be trusted will they gossip this is so important

[00:14:32] to come up with these type of questions and to glean from this because

[00:14:36] biblically we know that there are multiple examples

[00:14:39] of godly people who listen to the wrong people and it costs them something

[00:14:42] terrible you remember abram listened to his wife sarai

[00:14:45] jenesis chapter 16 hey sleep with my maid servant

[00:14:49] mm ishmael came what about david who consulted his commanders in chronicles 13

[00:14:55] and 14 and then he counted the people which he shouldn't have

[00:15:00] cost him something maybe another famous or well-known

[00:15:04] passage is solemn and son rey abohem when he started to get the rain

[00:15:09] he followed the wrong counsel his young foolish

[00:15:12] ignorant young advisories rather than the wide sages

[00:15:16] first king's chapter 12 it ended up costing him losing the kingdom

[00:15:20] half the kingdom left i like this verse second chronicles 22 verse 4

[00:15:24] it's about a king who really had some foolishness

[00:15:28] on his part listened to the wrong people

[00:15:32] a hazii he did it says what was evil in the side of the lord

[00:15:36] as the house of ahab had done for the death

[00:15:40] of his father they were his counselors to his undoing have

[00:15:46] ever had people that that caused you death it was their undoing it's

[00:15:50] it's you hung out with the wrong crowd listen as pastors as leaders we need

[00:15:54] to listen to wise counsel uh so use wisdom use discernment use prayer

[00:16:00] who will you listen to what books will you read what

[00:16:04] podcast are you going to filter into your mind it matters

[00:16:08] so be careful that's number one who you listen to

[00:16:12] second assess your need assess your need we all know that there are different

[00:16:18] seasons in life and in ministry and so we've talked about that

[00:16:21] um but we need to understand that things change

[00:16:25] so where right now do you need to grow this is a

[00:16:29] should be a valuation question if not yearly uh

[00:16:33] every quarter where do you need to grow for example there are seasons in

[00:16:37] life when you have young kids and so you should actually find some

[00:16:40] parents maybe ahead of you to give you some important

[00:16:44] parenting lessons this would be great or maybe you're a married couple

[00:16:48] and um your young married couple you should find someone maybe

[00:16:51] that you're 10 or you're 20 to get some godly counsel of how you even

[00:16:56] con um fight healthy or or have conflict resolution right

[00:17:01] um this is so important and good oftentimes as pastors

[00:17:05] it's very typical that pastors hang out with other pastors of the same church

[00:17:10] size why is this because they're dealing with the

[00:17:13] same problems they're in the same mindset someone with a

[00:17:16] member of a 2000 church has asked different questions

[00:17:20] than someone with uh 200 people in their church and that's okay

[00:17:23] that's good we learn from one another in the season that we're at

[00:17:28] we're asking certain questions well have you assessed where you're really at

[00:17:32] do you have someone in your life that can ask you those questions like

[00:17:35] where are you what are your blind spots where you need to grow

[00:17:38] right now in my life I'm going to school now uh specifically for a degree in

[00:17:44] church planning and revitalization to train others in this subject because

[00:17:47] I feel like that is a call on my life to uh help other church planners

[00:17:52] church leaders pastors minister to them and I've been

[00:17:56] pastoring now it's crazy I feel like a little bit of an old man

[00:17:59] especially in the cavalry movement uh at 40 I've been pastoring for 20

[00:18:03] years now with no seminary and that's not to boast or flex uh that's where the

[00:18:08] lord in my story has but in my story right now I recognize

[00:18:12] that I wanted more wisdom in the calling God's called me to

[00:18:15] so I want to be around people and learn how do I train church planners

[00:18:19] missionaries to revitalize churches to help the local church and pastors

[00:18:24] that that's a calling that's what I want to grow in and want to learn

[00:18:27] and so now because I put myself in a situation

[00:18:30] I assess myself I need to grow in this area I put myself in school for this

[00:18:34] training I'm literally in a cohort with the regional director of

[00:18:39] dynamic church planning international all over Europe or in another

[00:18:43] uh another guy my cohorts planted multiple churches 10 plus churches

[00:18:47] and so I'm having discussions and training and conversation

[00:18:51] real talk and growing exponentially because I'm around great godly leaders

[00:18:56] because I assess that's where I want to be I want to surround myself with other

[00:19:01] guys and girls that can I could learn from in this area

[00:19:04] and so where are you at maybe you need to order some books to learn in a certain

[00:19:10] subject have certain conversations getting in in in conferences you've

[00:19:15] never gone to or listened to podcasts but how can you grow don't just

[00:19:19] don't just keep doing the same thing assess where you're at and where

[00:19:23] you need to learn another thing or the third thing that I want to

[00:19:27] encourage you in is invest time and resources invest time and resources if

[00:19:32] you're going after wisdom of others

[00:19:34] you're going to need to invest in relationship and this just literally

[00:19:37] takes effort it takes time it takes resources for example

[00:19:41] you're listening right now I know how busy you all are

[00:19:45] okay you're putting forth effort you joined a cohort you're going to

[00:19:50] discuss you're setting up a system maybe for some of you it's going to a

[00:19:54] conference or building relationship in people

[00:19:58] and locally in your city whatever it may be it's going to take some time

[00:20:02] effort and resources for you to glean some wisdom the problem says hey

[00:20:06] seek wisdom at all costs okay it's important it's valuable

[00:20:10] and it's the best way I found one of the best ways to grow in our wisdom

[00:20:13] is through relationship yes podcasts are good

[00:20:16] yes books are good but having a live one-on-one relationship a cell phone

[00:20:21] call a coffee is so valuable as a church leader

[00:20:25] in fact having a mentor or a coach and even peers around you they say

[00:20:29] statistically speaking this is one of the measures are things that helps a

[00:20:33] church plant last you guys may know church plants tend to

[00:20:38] fall out not last as long or be as fruitful

[00:20:41] because the church planner gets discouraged and no matter what the

[00:20:44] size the budget or the resources the stats have said

[00:20:47] if a church planner has a coach a mentor and some peers around them

[00:20:51] it will exponentially help that person last and be more faithful to the call

[00:20:55] that God's called them to and so relationships take time

[00:20:58] they matter they're valuable um and so from the very beginning of when I

[00:21:04] moved to south florida as a parachute church planner meaning I didn't know

[00:21:08] anyone in the city that we launched our church in

[00:21:11] and planted um I've sort of had a priority to invest in relationship in

[00:21:16] fact I tied 10% of my time to church leaders to our city

[00:21:19] having coffee relationship meeting people and it's always

[00:21:23] always inconvenient I mean for the most part okay I enjoy it I love it

[00:21:28] but being a busy leader I got so much stuff to do

[00:21:30] and relationships sometimes could be a drag because you're just like building

[00:21:34] and building and building but when you grab a coffee with the local

[00:21:38] pastor when you pray with another brother or sister or family

[00:21:41] man if you're intentional to spend that time you will grow

[00:21:44] and so what about you how can you invest your time and your resources

[00:21:49] how are you doing that how do you need to adjust

[00:21:52] I find that it's super helpful because you need to be asking

[00:21:56] I could be in a different season what does this look like for me right now

[00:22:00] number four the fourth thing that I think that I can pass on to you

[00:22:02] something I've done that's super helpful for me

[00:22:05] ask questions ask questions um man are you spending time with people

[00:22:12] yes great awesome are you asking them questions

[00:22:16] it's it's literally that simple like I think sometimes we forget that God gave

[00:22:20] us two ears and one mouth for a reason we should be slow to speak

[00:22:26] quick to listen and so I found the best way to learn is actually to

[00:22:30] listen and to make it easy for people to speak

[00:22:32] by asking questions sometimes literally I'll go into meetings

[00:22:36] with the one sheet of paper prepared to ask questions especially if it's a guy or

[00:22:41] a girl that I respect in leadership or want to grow in

[00:22:44] I'm going to ask them questions um because a lot of godly leaders busy

[00:22:49] leaders if you just straight ask them to coach you or mentor you they're

[00:22:53] going to say no just hands down they don't have time

[00:22:56] it's a big obstacle its relationship I don't know what's in it for me

[00:23:00] but hey man yep yep 30 minutes to just chat can I get 15 minutes of your time

[00:23:04] how about an hour hey uh and then boom go right into it ask those questions

[00:23:09] and you make it easy for people to mentor you to coach you to glean and pull that

[00:23:14] out probably says you could pull stuff out of men's hearts by asking

[00:23:17] questions drawing it out and so um listen asking questions

[00:23:21] isn't just for mentors for coaches for people that are ahead of you

[00:23:25] ask questions to teenagers ask questions of people on your team

[00:23:29] ask questions of people that know you that know blind spots of you

[00:23:32] you can learn from everyone you can make this a culture

[00:23:36] especially people that are around you to see

[00:23:40] your blind spots I found a lot of people they just won't give you

[00:23:44] your their opinion unless you draw it out and you ask them a question

[00:23:48] and so one common question I ask people especially on my team is this

[00:23:53] if you were me what would you do I don't even ask people what what do you

[00:23:58] think because they're thinking as themselves I want them to think as if

[00:24:02] they had the authority the leadership the capacity to do something

[00:24:05] hey if you were me or if you were that person what would you do

[00:24:09] hey if you could change the situation what would that be

[00:24:13] how did you grow how did you do this how did you learn like

[00:24:16] ask the questions draw it out of people get their point of view their

[00:24:20] feedback their opinion even when their opinion is hard

[00:24:23] don't crush people and defend yourself get the information

[00:24:28] most people need a safe space to actually give their opinion and you as a

[00:24:32] leader can draw that out by giving them a safe space

[00:24:35] of asking questions well the last thing the fifth thing for you

[00:24:39] is create a system create a system that glean

[00:24:43] stuff out of people right you're assessing you're asking questions you're

[00:24:47] spending time resources you're listening to wise counsel

[00:24:50] create create a system I have a pastor friend who says three things you need to

[00:24:55] be successful one you need to be intentional

[00:24:58] why are you doing the things that you do nothing happens by accident you're

[00:25:02] not going to grow in your rock with jesus by accident you're not going to

[00:25:04] grow in your leadership by accident you need to be intentional

[00:25:07] why do you do the things you do okay then you need to put a system to it

[00:25:11] be systematic which means it has to go on the calendar it has to be a

[00:25:15] priority for you so you're going to know why you're doing what you're

[00:25:17] doing then you're going to know what to do you're going to put on the

[00:25:20] calendar you're gonna say this is important this is amazing i'm going to

[00:25:22] spend time to do it but here's the key the third thing

[00:25:26] you have to be consistent you have to have a repeatable system

[00:25:31] okay you have to repeat it over and over and over and over

[00:25:35] and over and over and over again if you're intentional if you're systematic

[00:25:39] and if you're consistent man you're going to find success in your

[00:25:42] leadership and you're going to grow and so how can you be intentional

[00:25:47] do you even know the why the priority how you even need to grow

[00:25:51] how can you put that in your calendar to grow be systematic and then how can you

[00:25:55] be consistent in those things in asking questions

[00:26:00] in coming to cohorts in learning man go to an annual conference do a monthly

[00:26:06] coffee whatever what does it look like for you to be

[00:26:10] intentional systematic and consistent for me personally this is just one

[00:26:15] example it was a podcast i know they're very popular

[00:26:19] i get it but i started a podcast years and years ago

[00:26:22] and is called the leadership lessons podcast it's through a ministry i have

[00:26:26] called ee leaders which is the goal is to encourage and equip

[00:26:29] ee leaders to encourage and equip church leaders

[00:26:33] and so this podcast has been a lot of work at times

[00:26:36] but it actually has helped me to learn in my leadership and to be

[00:26:40] consistent i'm on season six where i have

[00:26:43] video lessons just like this where i share with people

[00:26:48] sometimes i teach but most of the time i actually am the host

[00:26:51] and i ask other church leaders i'm connected with just to share

[00:26:55] a leadership lesson they could share with other church leaders

[00:26:58] i even have a small segment in there called one piece of advice just give me

[00:27:01] a piece of advice that you'd want to share

[00:27:03] with someone else uh in fact it actually allows me to be

[00:27:07] intentional and ask questions and have interviews on this podcast

[00:27:11] and so yes it's a ministry for others it's a public podcast many subscribers

[00:27:15] and people listen to it but it's actually help my growth

[00:27:19] it was for me to be intentional to have uh the system

[00:27:23] to be able to interview a guy like david guzik from enduring word who wrote a

[00:27:27] whole commentary in the bible to now speak with him

[00:27:29] about hey how do you actually study the bible in this way

[00:27:33] and give specific answers specific questions that i had

[00:27:36] or to have a guy that is a regional director here in south florida jim

[00:27:40] gallagher from calvary chapel uh vero beach to say hey can you give me a lesson

[00:27:44] on preaching on the baptism of the holy spirit and how that

[00:27:48] that's so important not only for as a pastor but for the team

[00:27:51] and i could play that video for my team it gave me context to learn

[00:27:55] in matter of fact this is why i called it the leadership lessons

[00:27:58] podcast because as a leader i can always learn

[00:28:02] from others and so i wanted to have a system

[00:28:06] i was very intentional to have a system that i could repeat

[00:28:09] over and over and over again to grow in my leadership

[00:28:12] and listen i would love for you to subscribe and for you to share

[00:28:16] but you don't got to have your own podcast to have this intentionality

[00:28:19] system and and um and be consistent and so man

[00:28:25] this worked for me i would love to hear what works for you

[00:28:29] and so we should as church leaders be leaning on the wisdom of others uh

[00:28:34] it's so important in our lives and in our leadership

[00:28:38] and these are just a few ideas a few thoughts that came to my mind to help

[00:28:41] you grow and learn i hope that was important for you i'll recap

[00:28:44] where to listen to wise counsel who you listen to matters

[00:28:48] where to assess our needs uh where do we need to grow

[00:28:53] we should be asking that question well it's going to take some time and

[00:28:56] investment some resources efforts but it's worth it

[00:29:00] you're gonna have to ask questions meaning you're gonna need to be

[00:29:02] humble and learn but that's okay guide pours out the grace to the humble

[00:29:07] right and then you want to create a system you want to be consistent

[00:29:10] intentional systematic and consistent and so i hope that helped you

[00:29:15] inspired you to start learning from others as well

[00:29:18] and i hope that we can glean wisdom from one another as we just

[00:29:22] talk about man we can grow in our leadership

[00:29:26] through learning from others