Empowering Ministry Initiatives: Insights from Jeff Gipe

[00:00:00] The idea of funding or raising funds is not appealing to me. The idea of God using people working together and unity to help people that are in need is so beautiful. The things that I learned from that were there was a lot of people in need through COVID.

[00:00:19] A lot of churches needed funds, but they also needed someone to minister to them.

[00:00:25] And so it was a double duty for me. It was awesome that I was able to minister to them, raise funds for them, and then all the churches within the recovery movement were doing this.

[00:00:36] And so when we think about the birth of CGN, that's kind of where all those things are starting to happen. And that's when we started talking more about becoming an autonomy and how we would be able to fund the church planning movements.

[00:00:53] The initiative, it's cultivated and the initiative, the pastoral care and coaching and the resources and all those different things. Welcome to the CGN Mission and Methods Podcast Season 4.

[00:01:08] My name is Nick Kady. I'm the pastor of Whitefield's Community Church in Longmont, Colorado, and I will be your host this season. The goal and vision of this podcast is that it would be a forum for communication about Calvary Global Network.

[00:01:23] We want to share with you some of the stories about what God is doing. We want to talk about some of the initiatives we're involved in spearheading and we want to answer the questions you might have about who we are as a network.

[00:01:33] In this episode we speak with Jeff Gipe. Jeff has a unique background having been a successful businessman in Southern California, and then planting and pastoring a church. He now uses these skills and experiences to serve Calvary Global Network as the head of the funding team.

[00:01:56] In this episode Jeff talks about some of the ways the funding team has been able to help churches and empower ministry initiatives around the world, and why he is passionate about mobilizing the church to use our skills and resources to help each other further the mission of God.

[00:02:12] Here's the episode. Welcome to the CGN Mission and Methods Podcast. My name is Nick Kady and today I am joined by Clay. We're L. Hey, Clay. Oh, Henrik. Clay, you are the Executive Director of CGNU. Have not yet been a co-host to now's the first time. Welcome.

[00:02:34] Yeah, I'm super glad to be here. Awesome. So what we're doing on this season of Mission and Methods, we are interviewing and getting to know the members of the CGN Executive team.

[00:02:43] And the reason we're doing that, we want you our listeners to get to know kind of the heart behind the individuals who are leading this

[00:02:52] organizations, movement of churches into the next season and really kind of getting to hear some of their stories with their passionate about what they're excited about for the future.

[00:03:03] So today we are joined by Jeff Gipe. Hey Jeff. Good to see you Nick Clay. It's always pleasure. Oh yeah. Jeff, you are actually even on the staff of CGN. I am and I'm sitting here with my boss Clay and I've got to be really nice to him.

[00:03:19] You do I have to be nice to you. No, well, you don't get a paycheck. So I don't.

[00:03:24] I'm going to cut blonde. I can do whatever. All right. Well, Jeff, tell us a little bit about yourself who you are. Where you serve within CGN and yeah, your journey that God's led you on up until this point in life in ministry.

[00:03:39] Yeah. First of all, this is such a pleasure to be part of this and to share it because there are some very exciting things happening within CGN.

[00:03:48] And for me, it's just a dream come true. I was born again at Cabrera Chapel Costa Mesa in 91 and just from that point on just fell in love with the Lord started serving the Lord.

[00:04:00] Really my Bible daily so much so that in 2003 I was asked to come on staff at Cabrera Chapel Costa Mesa as a lay pastor because during all of those years between all that time I was a Christian business man.

[00:04:11] I owned a packaging company that a very fruitful packaging company that we dedicated to the Lord and just amazing things that God was doing in and through the company. And then in 2003 Pastor Brian asked if I would come on staff as their college and career pastor.

[00:04:28] And what I mean by staff is you can come and be our college and career pastor for free, which actually that was more me than him. My men's a genius. Yes, he is so good at this stuff. It's kind of like Nick with CGN.

[00:04:41] But in 2005 I went to Pastor Brian and Pastor Chuck and had shared with him that the Lord was putting on my heart to plant a church. That was the good news, the bad news is 9.8 miles away from Cabrera Chapel Costa Mesa in the city of Newport Beach, California.

[00:05:00] And they graciously sent me out and said, well, come back and tell us how things are going in six months and we'll see if you can be a Calvary in. I don't think it was too much later. Brian called me and he says you're Calvary.

[00:05:13] And then we were there for 16 years. Planet a church. We had a wonderful church. It was a smaller church with a very missions minded heart. We actually were part of a church plant one year into our church and planted many churches going forward.

[00:05:31] And then in 2016 is three years after Pastor Chuck had passed in, we had begun these these prayer meetings with CGN. One time in New York City and then at one time in Marietta and every six months we had had these prayer meetings.

[00:05:47] And it's so funny, you know, there might be this perception that we would get together and handle all these planning meetings. But they were literally prayer meetings if you know Brian, you know that there was no planning it was just let's get together and pray.

[00:06:01] Yeah, I love that actually I told somebody the other day I was like, yeah, they're like, what'd you do at your CGN meeting? I'm like, we prayed for hours. It was amazing. That's right. Yeah.

[00:06:13] And so it was at that time in fact, Kevin had a prophetic prayer as he was praying. He was like, I can picture a man in a boat on a sea and a wave, a huge wave coming about to capsize him.

[00:06:29] And it was at that very moment that I felt like the Lord was going to be using me in a different way. And what that was is, at that time at the time I thought it was because of the things that were happening within Calvary Chapel.

[00:06:43] And I thought God was going to use me as a person to come alongside and with Pastor O'Kare and coaching to help those things. But we found out in 2019 and 2020 it was entirely a different thing.

[00:06:57] And so, you know, kind of fast forward in 2019 November. All of us were there. We had that meeting in Mirrieta that was our first planning meeting for CGN and we went that great.

[00:07:09] Oh yeah, it was so good. And God had put all these ideas in our head when we're already to go. And I mean, everybody launched and they put me on the funding team. I wasn't really happy with that.

[00:07:22] Is it were you in on that decision? Absolutely not. Nick. Oh, no. Okay. I think that was all Kelly. I'm pretty sure it was all college and Brian and Brian and no doubt Brian.

[00:07:32] And at the time, I'm like, yes, I do have a background in business. Yes, I do intuitively know these things. So I guess okay, whatever. And when COVID hit, you know, all of all the initiatives stopped.

[00:07:46] So there was nothing going on. They pause. They pause. It's exactly right, except for mine because COVID hit and the Kelly called he goes, you know, we should put together a really fun.

[00:08:00] And I'm like, man, that's a genius idea and it was like after that conversation, I remember staying up all night long in my head is, how does this look like? What does this look like?

[00:08:12] And so I immediately jumped in to Paul if you don't know, our listeners don't know Paul was the original fundraiser in the Bible.

[00:08:22] Jeff, I'm just going to stop you here and just say, do you have anybody asked you if you are the one who puts the fun in funding? I've never heard someone be so excited about funding. And I think that just shows the beauty of the body of Christ.

[00:08:39] Okay, Gary on Paul put the Paul did the fun Paul was a fundraising source. Yeah, if you remember this story out briefly, there was a famine in Jerusalem. Paul wanted and was the Jewish church that was being affected.

[00:08:52] So Paul immediately went to the Corinthian church and asked for funds. They said they would give it but then they didn't give it. It was like a year later and Paul's like, well, I guess I'll go to the churches in Macedonia.

[00:09:04] And if you've read second Corinthians chapter eight, you will see just the beauty of Paul's heart when he came to the Macedonian churches that were afflicted more and poor and going through difficult things. And they joyfully gave more than what Paul could have ever accepted or expected.

[00:09:24] And the reason they joyfully gave is because of not only what Christ had done for them, but how Christ came through the Jews in Jerusalem. And so in my mind, I'm thinking, wow, it's two things.

[00:09:37] We're raising funds for those that need relief, but we're also bringing unity between what potentially was a split. Yeah, and that really meant us or to me. Big time. And so with that, we started the COVID relief fund and gosh, it was such a blessing.

[00:09:58] The idea of funding or raising funds is not appealing to me. The idea of God using people working together in unity to help people that are in need is so beautiful.

[00:10:12] The things that I learned from that were there was a lot of people in need through COVID. A lot of churches needed funds, but they also needed someone to minister to them.

[00:10:22] And so it was a double duty for me. It was awesome that I was able to minister to them. Race funds for them and then all the churches within the recovery movement we're doing this.

[00:10:34] And so when we think about the birth of CGN, that's kind of where all those things are starting to happen. And that's when we started talking more about becoming our autonomy and how we would be able to fund the church planning movements.

[00:10:50] And they, the initiative of cultivate and the initiative of the pastoral care and coaching and the resources and all those different things.

[00:10:59] Yeah, you know, Jeff, I just, and this is why I know that your the right man for the job that you have because, you know, money is one of those things that it's, it feels awkward to talk about a lot of people don't want to talk about it.

[00:11:13] It kind of cagey and, and I just love your perspective, Jeff, and it's such the the mind of Christ too, because Jesus talked about money plenty and and

[00:11:23] the scriptures are full of references to giving in generosity and what not, but but at the end of the day it's not about dollar figures.

[00:11:32] It's not about numbers. It's it's truly about about the heart. It's an expression of worship and we know that is pastors right like we want our, our congregations or church members to give

[00:11:44] not just to keep the lights on, but because that's a healthy expression of worship, one of the expressions of worship to God as we give back from what he gave to us and then.

[00:11:56] And this context where you talk about it's really an expression of unity in the body of Christ isn't it? Yes. And this is the way that God designed his body to work where there is is care going from one to another.

[00:12:11] And yes, that includes relationship of course, that includes counsel that includes wisdom, confrontation at times, but it also includes very practical ways of churches caring for churches and Christians caring for Christians and and you do such a good job of just keeping our focus in the right place when we're talking about these really necessary and and practical things.

[00:12:33] Yeah, I think you and I were talking about this earlier about the Holy Spirit when we think about panacost. You know in panacost there are 14 or 15 different cultures it converged for that celebration then Peter got up and preached that message.

[00:12:49] So these are different cultures, different perspectives, different philosophies of even their religion.

[00:12:55] And then when the Holy Spirit came they got baptized right and then they were filled with the spirit and there was this great unity they met together each and every day in fellowship and in the breaking a bread and and prayer and the word of God.

[00:13:12] And then as you go down in Acts chapter two, you just see that everybody shared what they had in common those it had a lot help those it had little everybody had it in common and it says that the Lord added to the church daily those who are being saved.

[00:13:27] And because they're giving which Paul kind of puts an exclamation on that mark mark on that later in Acts chapter 20 when he says it Jesus said it's better to give them to receive.

[00:13:39] You see that this is where the joy comes is when we learn to give our culture, our society sadly doesn't feel that way often and maybe it's it's because many organizations approach it wrongly.

[00:13:56] And but we see and this is the beauty of C. G. and is what we see as together we can do so much more than we can separately.

[00:14:03] Yeah, and that phrase right there has been something that has been repeated by our leaders I would I don't know if it's been posted anywhere but some that we say a lot within our discussions as we talk about different initiatives different teams that are being done.

[00:14:19] And what's the driving concept is this idea together we can do more than we can separately. So Jeff tell us about some of the things that okay you talked about people giving that school but what have you done with that money.

[00:14:33] Well, for COVID that would to COVID relief but there's also been money that's come in for church planning yeah so.

[00:14:42] I was so blessed that I've been working in India for about 10 years and many of the coverage apples came together and we raised like $10,000 to get to the pastors in India.

[00:14:54] And from that we've planted nine churches you know when you start thinking and that's just that just my experience and I know that there are others that.

[00:15:04] I'm just willing to give and they give and we see God do so much with it and that's really the heart behind going in the future is like man it's going to be exponential.

[00:15:16] You know I love to cultivate you know we plan on we have a structure to to plant or to plant 1,000 healthy churches or communities of Christ.

[00:15:26] And we do that well we need to be doing this together because that's a big ask right that's we're talking about a lot of money but when it's not a lot of money when you think about everybody working together.

[00:15:38] One of the things a Lord showed me during COVID is that Paul purposely went to the Macedonian churches they were small they were poor but they gave over and above exceedingly well because God loves a joyful giver they just gave and gave.

[00:15:54] And that's kind of the model you know the Corinthian church didn't give which says a lot.

[00:16:00] So I don't know the reasons behind it but what I do know is that the smaller churches it can really benefit from C. J. and are going to be really happy together and what I mean by benefit there will be able to participate in the initiatives for cultivators for as an example.

[00:16:17] Well I mean that's that's a big thing that you're saying right there because I can imagine somebody out there who says hey you know we have a church maybe we're in a small context small town not a lot of people in church but we get to be a part of doing something really big I'll say you know one of the other things that we've done with this is that there was a lot of people wondering how can we give.

[00:16:40] To support churches people in Ukraine who are brothers and sisters who are connected with us in our network and this is one of the beauties of having network we have a lot of churches in Ukraine that were connected to where we can actually.

[00:16:54] We can know where those dollars are going or heroes or whatever people give right we can know where they're going and we can make sure that they're being used.

[00:17:04] To do really important stuff without getting lost in overhead and the cool thing is that we were able to raise those money so just imagine I was having a discussion a while back like when the war first started in Ukraine.

[00:17:18] There were some pastors locally in my city and they started having a discussion amongst themselves that I was part of asking how can we help people in our church want to help we don't know where to give.

[00:17:30] Do you know anything and I said actually yes we do have something set up just for that and that really reflects what you're saying that somebody's smaller churches.

[00:17:39] They want to be part of God's work in the world and in some cases that looks like giving and we're giving an opportunity for that.

[00:17:48] It's exactly right and it's really beautiful to see that and especially with Ukraine it's been so much fun working with you and Michael and just seeing those funds go and and especially the relief workers thing that we did in Austria and what we'll be doing soon here coming up in Ukraine itself so yeah it's pretty exciting.

[00:18:09] I actually wanted to mention that again this is just one of those things that we have the privilege of doing because we're a network of churches working together.

[00:18:17] Where with Ukraine you know we we were able to meet a number of practical needs and a lot of that was happening especially in the early days of the conflict.

[00:18:26] And so what we're doing is that the Lord put on our hearts and Nick you've been a part of this conversation from the start.

[00:18:31] Is that we really wanted to care for the relief workers the people who have been pouring out their lives to care for the displaced Ukrainian residents.

[00:18:44] You're up the faithful ministers who are continuing to do gospel work and relief work in Ukraine and so as Jeff mentioned over the summer we were able to do a relief workers conference here at the castle in Austria where we're sitting right now.

[00:19:00] It was incredible we brought clinical counselors over who were you know believers in Jesus highly trained and qualified to do trauma and grief counseling.

[00:19:08] And and provide a reprieve for these people who've been pouring out their lives to care for others so that they wouldn't burn out and you know basically.

[00:19:17] Train wreck because they're pouring out and pouring out and not being poured into and actually in March next month from when we're recording this we're going into Ukraine to do the very same thing.

[00:19:28] And we're providing that free of cost for everybody who's coming to attend that that retreat including bringing over these qualified counselors to be able to do one on one sessions and group sessions along with obviously pastors to teach the word and to pray and that sort of thing as well.

[00:19:45] So it's just a wonderful thing that we're able to do because we're working together as a family of churches.

[00:19:51] Yeah and so Jeff also with you being part of the C.G.N. staff, I know that one thing you've been involved in is helping C.G.N become an autonomous organization.

[00:20:01] I'm just going to kind of say and ask what maybe some people are wondering we're talking about money and that's as clay mentioned sometimes awkward, but I'm just going to come out and ask you.

[00:20:12] I think the things C.G.N is doing obviously cost money and not just not just church planting and Ukrainian relief help. But also I mean what does C.G.N do that cost money and then also how is that being funded? How's it being paid for?

[00:20:30] Yeah well of course part of the cavalry DNA has always been autonomy. Pastor Chuck was really good at that, you know giving people freedom to do the things that the Lord was showing them to do and it was it was just wonderful.

[00:20:47] What we found after generations and generations was that whenever anybody needed money they would just call pop a chuck and I mean pastor Chuck was so gracious, you know,

[00:20:57] we would help people as much as he could and well intentioned the problem is that that is continued that well if we need something we'll go to Costa Mesa and you know those days have been over for a long time even way before Pastor Chuck passed.

[00:21:12] And so what we've realized as to be a healthy self sustainable org, we need to be working together we can't rely on one person. And in a sense as I was sharing earlier we're robbing people of the gift of giving.

[00:21:27] I mean I don't know if anybody's over thought about that but church is should be giving you know our little church that never got over a hundred people my missions budget was 30% because our church was always giving to help plant churches and to working together.

[00:21:45] We just did a podcast with Jimmy Arate he and I helped plant a church and Ireland together it started with me and I turned it over to him because he was more experience he had more money.

[00:21:55] And we were just laughing how God did that we had no idea what we were doing. And so learning those lessons and partnering together with people and so we saw it being urgent that we become autonomous.

[00:22:10] And so in August we you know we went through the whole process where all we're on 501 we're set up as an autonomous organization that is going to be relying on the funds coming from other churches.

[00:22:22] There's been a few churches, coffee choppacosamasa isn't for sure our biggest donor at this point you know they've been so gracious and helping us and there are many other churches that are starting to come alongside.

[00:22:35] And we've we've asked we sent out a ministry plan that we spent a lot of time on writing and trying to get to where we get share all the important details that they people would need to know.

[00:22:47] We sent them out to a bunch of pastors we've gotten some good response but it's going to take time.

[00:22:52] You know people are wanting to see what's seen about how can we trust them and and all of those things and all of those things are coming to fruition as we launch the initiatives of cultivate the connectors.

[00:23:05] He just had a connectors thing down in Florida had a very small turnout, but it was the best because we're sitting there I actually met a guy that's been a coverage apple pastor for 20 years.

[00:23:17] And I know anybody he's been in debt and he's been down oh he knows people he just never felt very fed in or he fit in.

[00:23:24] And so he and I room together and man we're just talking all night and just having a great time well last week he just called he just said you know he had me come down and share this church.

[00:23:35] So I shared it as church I went out to lunch with one of his board members had a great time or he called last week and says yeah you go you know my board member when I went to him and said we want to start giving the cg and he just says oh man I'm at Jeff those got cgins cool we're going to give them.

[00:23:53] And so they've already committed to giving and that's kind of how it's happening you know as we've been talking so much about relational.

[00:24:01] It's always relational and the more that we get to know people the more that people are getting excited about cg in it just going to be exponential and as we're planning churches and all of those sorts of things so yeah.

[00:24:17] Yeah, you know that that's that's great Jeff I totally agree with everything you just said and and.

[00:24:22] You know our heart with this is obviously like you mentioned Nick there's administrative costs with anything and I think I imagine a large portion of our listener base or pastors or in church leadership and some degree or not there and you know just from the context of your church you have to keep the lights on and pay your staff and.

[00:24:41] But obviously it's not about paying salaries it's about having the right people in the right places doing the job that enables the kingdom work to be done and that's our vision with cg and as well you know we do have a team.

[00:24:55] And a very small team right now and we're committed to keep it as lean as we can in order to do what while being able to do the things that God's called us to do.

[00:25:04] But without the operations team we can't do the work that God's called us to do as a network of churches and so of course we're unashamedly asking churches who believe in the mission who are part of this network to participate in in funding the org.

[00:25:19] That is serving our family of churches and then together as a family of churches at the network doing the kingdom work of church planting. Relief work of care and coaching for the pastors and leaders in our network and and so much more.

[00:25:36] And so yeah our vision though is that there would be a lot of churches giving. Smaller amounts rather than a few churches giving a whole lot and if if every you know even if a quarter of the churches that are part of the network.

[00:25:53] Give 1% of their general budget we'd be in such a great position to continue doing what we're called to do so.

[00:26:00] So that's that's kind of our our ask and if anybody Jeff mentioned the the ministry plan that we created and we've sent that out to some of the kind of leaders within cgn but if anybody is interested in seeing that just email cgn at coverage apple dot column asking for it will send it to you.

[00:26:14] And it's got more information than you probably want to see but we wanted to be thorough because we're not hiding anything you know.

[00:26:20] So one thing I didn't mention is you know this this is the fifth startup I've I've had four startups in my life three failed when was successful.

[00:26:32] So over 20 some ideas of being a business owner I've learned what works and what doesn't work and being a Christian business owner I've learned what's important to the donors.

[00:26:42] And you know so we have set up we have set up boards that accountability boards for every dollar that comes in and every dollar that goes out.

[00:26:52] And and the reason we do this is because that's the model that Paul left us in second Corinthians chapter nine you know and set chapter eight and chapter night is you know really looking at this and saying okay we want to be responsible we want people to know that that money's going there.

[00:27:08] And you know a lot of people love to give to church planning and thank God they do a lot of people might want to give to pastor real care.

[00:27:16] Very few people like to give towards a administrative costs but I have to say and I'm going to say this because it was happening way before I was on staff.

[00:27:25] And staff at C. G. and is tiny but it's the staff that puts on the international conferences all the other little conferences and I would name names with the appropriate mad at me so I won't do that but I will just say that it is a skeleton crew we call probably need double the south of the people that we have but right now is an org we're trying to be.

[00:27:46] Shrew to serpents and innocent as does and they just work so so hard so there's so many things you know we do all the website design we do all the content editing I mean there's there's just so many things that are happening that maybe people don't realize also.

[00:28:04] Yeah and just so now shifting gears slightly but still kind of on the topic of money.

[00:28:09] Jeff one of the things that's fascinated me in talking to you is that you have thought a lot theologically about the value of money and the me and when I say value I mean the spiritual value of money. And so you know.

[00:28:25] Talk to us a little bit about some of these ideas around the theological you know concepts about money and then how that relates to churches how can churches how can we help churches become self sustainable. Perhaps even especially in places where that's a difficult thing to do.

[00:28:46] Okay, that's another topic I could go away off of because it is a passion but I guess really to hone it in on you know I think about.

[00:28:55] God created the heavens and earth in six days on the seventh day rested on each day of creation he looked at what he created and he says oh it's good then he created the animal life and he created mankind he said oh this is very good.

[00:29:10] And it's always been interesting to me that the very first place that God put mankind was in the garden to work.

[00:29:17] It says to work in tend that word work in the Hebrew language of odd is used to enter some odd times in the Old Testament while 156 of those times or whatever was forgive me if I've got the wrong number is the same word they use for worship.

[00:29:36] It's serving so God has intention for work is a place that we would work and serve and when you think about Adam and Eve God gave them everything they needed in the garden to flourish and to help mankind.

[00:29:52] And so this was God's intention because of from the beginning but because of sin you know then we say the consequences sin was men would begin to work by the sweater their brow and toiling into dirt and and all of this and that's that's where the tension is when it comes to many.

[00:30:09] But God's intention was that we would be flourishing financially in able to help others that aren't flourishing financially that's always been his way.

[00:30:19] God created us that we would be a channel of his grace to the world around us and a good way that we can do that is through earning and having a huge impact on the communities in which we live we were just talking a few minutes ago about.

[00:30:36] You know some countries that are not flourishing we're talking about. Well, Delvia. Moldova. I'm sorry whenever I hear that name I think of like like the princess and prince of Moldova.

[00:30:47] I watch way too many hallmark movies I guess just kidding just kidding but you know and I've done a lot of work in India over the years and one of the things I've been thinking about and so passion about and I haven't.

[00:30:59] Figured it all out yet is that what a way for people that have the well and the wisdom of owning businesses to be used greatly by God is not.

[00:31:13] You know it's so often people just want to give their money that are wealthy and say that's all I need but that's not a healthy perspective. I'm wealthy. I'm wealthy.

[00:31:24] I well want to use the money but I want to use it in a way it's going to build the community in which it's going to and so we are talking about. Moldova. I'm sorry.

[00:31:37] You know there's a pastor there that just he just started a business cleaning carpets and that type of thing and I'm as I'm hearing the story I'm thinking this is what needs to happen.

[00:31:49] People with the wealth in the wisdom that are retired or want to spend three weeks going into a foreign country and training up some young guy or young gal to start a business because this is what happens.

[00:32:03] Like in India if you go into a handed community and your Christian nobody's going to buy anything from you but if you go into Indian and your Christian company that's employing Hindus.

[00:32:17] Then you're you're benefiting the community and then you're giving yourself an opportunity to share a crisis and of course that's biblical to right with Quila and Priscilla Paul went in to I don't remember the name of the city they went into.

[00:32:32] Quila and thank you and they started making tents sit around talking about Jesus and then there was a church planted out of that.

[00:32:40] Yeah, now I can tell there's even more there inside of you that would love to come out and I think we'd all benefit from hearing more about that but maybe another time but thank you so much Jeff for your time today last question for you.

[00:32:54] What are you excited about for the future of C.G.N. All right. For boy. I am so excited about the potential of planting a thousand churches in the next 10 years.

[00:33:07] Some people say that's a big ask it's not if all of the churches are working together this could actually be very easily attained but I'm also very excited that they aren't just churches their healthy churches.

[00:33:22] C.G.N. as we were talking about it's so important that these are healthy communities of Christ and we know that healthy leaders produce healthy sheep and healthy sheep produce healthy communities of Christ and I'm really excited about the possibility of that happening awesome.

[00:33:41] Thank you so much for your time today Jeff. Thanks Quila. Thank you Nick. Thanks Nick. Thanks for this thing to this episode of the C.G.N. mission and methods podcast. In our next episode Pastor Brian and I will be speaking with Rafael Montenaris.

[00:33:56] Rafael pastor Santa Ponsa Community Church in my work as Spain and he has a unique global perspective having served in the United States, England and in Europe for many years.

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