The Word and the Spirit: Calvary Chapel in Latin America

[00:00:00] Welcome to the CGN Mission and Methods Podcast season 4. My name is Nick Katie, I'm the pastor of Whitefield's Community Church in Longmont, Colorado and I will be your host this season

[00:00:11] The goal and vision of this podcast is that it would be a forum for communication about Calvary Global Network We want to share with you some of the stories about what God is doing. We want to talk about some of the initiatives we're involved in spearheading

[00:00:26] And we want to answer the questions you might have about who we are as a network On the episodes in this season, I'm joined by Pastor Brian Broderson, the founder and president of CGN and the pastor of Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California

[00:00:40] For season 4 of the podcast, Brian and I will be interviewing the members of the CGN Executive team so you can get to know their stories, hear about their ministries And the roles they play in CGN and find out what they're excited about for the future

[00:00:53] In this episode, Pastor Brian and I speak with Manolo Matos Manolo is the pastor of Calvary Lima in Lima, Peru And in our discussion Manolo talks about how he became a Christian and was baptized in the same church which he now pastors today

[00:01:08] Additionally, Manolo talks about the unique role that Calvary Chapel churches can play in Latin America as a movement that is focused on teaching the Bible

[00:01:16] He shares what makes ministry in South America unique and about some open doors for ministry both in the urban context of Lima and the diverse rural context of other people And the context of other parts of Peru, here's the episode Welcome to the CGN Mission and Methods Podcast

[00:01:34] My name is Nick Katie, I'm joined today by Pastor Brian Broderson and Manolo Matos from Lima, Peru Hey guys, hey man Good to be together so right now we're recording we're at the CGN International Conference and it's been a great week this year at the conference

[00:01:52] All the teachings are being done by members of the executive team and Manolo, you're a newer member of the executive team We're glad to have you on this season of the podcast in which we're getting to know executive team members

[00:02:04] And so we'll start out by having you share with our listeners who you are where you serve What's been some of your journey up until this point?

[00:02:12] Yes, I'm very grateful for the opportunity to be a part of this team and for what the Lord is going to do through it in the future

[00:02:20] As we were, as you said, you know we're sitting right now at the conference and it seems that very sweet sort of fellowship and excitement and encouragement amongst the different pastors and leaders that are here and excited about that

[00:02:35] So I was born and raised in Lima, Peru and I grew up as part of the Catholic Church as most of South America really

[00:02:45] And I had a sort of fallout or falling out with the Catholic Church in my teenage years just because of the sort of traditionalism that is a part of the Catholic experience

[00:03:03] And it just never really clicked with me, although I wasn't like a agnostic or atheistic, you know, like her person per se I always believed there was a God and I believed in the general sort of message of the Bible that I didn't really understand at all

[00:03:21] So I wasn't fighting against the idea of God but I was sort of like not really connecting with the church And so I, you know as soon as I had the opportunity to make a decision for myself, I left and just you know it

[00:03:36] For South America in Latin America really that family ties into a lot of you know you are this you are born into this you are you know that very strong family connection and that you don't you know

[00:03:48] To leave the Catholic Church is not just to leave our religion, but it's to leave your traditions and your family and the sort of like

[00:03:57] The sort of legacy of who your family is and all that and so I just was like well this is not for me. So sorry and then about the age of

[00:04:07] 17 right after graduating from high school, I had a friend who invited me to church to Calvary and Lima coverage apple and Lima with jump on her

[00:04:17] And I went to church for like the first time and and heard the Bible being taught in a way that I could understand it which is completely novel to me because I never had that experience in my life

[00:04:29] And so understanding the gospel for the first time was super like impact falling in my life right and and then it made me understand like there's a decision that ensues after you understand the message of the gospel right is not just like oh this thing that you've always sort of like

[00:04:46] No, no it's like this is a this is a decision making a set of ideas right about about the gospel who got it and what he's done for you. So what are you going to do now, you know what what what is your response going to be to that and so for me it was very clear from like the first

[00:05:02] moment really that that was something that was going to change the course of my life and I was sort of like all in you know and

[00:05:11] I gave my life to the Lord around that time after going to church for a couple months and it was at a surf camp at the beach in the Pacific Ocean got baptized and and started getting involved with the church there and never looked back

[00:05:26] You're getting baptized at the beach I've heard of that happening before yeah, it's just a little further south down down the Pacific That's great and and that was through John Bonner had planted that church in Lima and was pastoring

[00:05:48] John of course basically grew up at this church here where we are right now, government top of Costa Mesa and then went into the Latin world as as a missionary and was a Mexico for quite some time and pillar his wife is Mexican

[00:06:03] And then they felt the Lord calling them to Peru and so Not not only kind of led you to Jesus, but also the cycle to use well right yeah, yeah

[00:06:14] I consider John you know to be my pastor and my spiritual mentor for sure and which was sort you know that was the ironic thing is that like I got saved at this church that I'm pastoring

[00:06:27] We John moved to a different city in Peru to establish the campus for the Bible College that had been in Lima for quite a long time the church that he planted had been going on for 12 years

[00:06:38] And at that point where when the moved happened it was obvious that they needed the church needed a local sort of leadership there

[00:06:46] That little did I know you know I was going to come in and sort of step into that role which is just insane to me to think like I'm 23 22

[00:06:59] And I'm like beginning to pastor this church that has 12 years of existence and I've been married for like a year at this point and I'm like having marriage counseling sessions with like couples that have been married and have kids in my age and it's like what?

[00:07:13] What are you doing here like what are you know, that sounds very new testament to yeah

[00:07:18] Like that that's one of the things that I've always loved about the story, you know that you know here's a guy and you know it's been a Christian you know maybe three years you know or something then

[00:07:28] John's like I gotta go I gotta go do this Bible College but no, you need to take and it was a pretty substantial church

[00:07:35] I mean it wasn't like you know just a handful of people meeting in the house. I mean that a nice facility and a large large group of people so I've always that just I've always loved John or respected him

[00:07:48] But that just took my respect level up a whole other not yeah I like that it's like yeah that's got to see that's trusting God nice And I think it was a good decision because now 10 years later, we're seeing the fruit of that. Yeah

[00:08:02] Did you go to the Bible College that was there in the middle? I did I graduated in 2010 and that's why I made my wife as well Who came down from Florida to study at the Bible College in Peru? Yeah awesome

[00:08:16] So Pastor Brown let me just ask you this like with bringing Manolo on to the executive team tell me a little bit about that decision

[00:08:25] Well you know we've talked about this and of course Nick both you and I we have lived outside the country you lived in eastern here for 10 years I lived to 45 or so in the UK and you know we're part of a global network

[00:08:39] And of course we you know we have churches all around the globe but I felt like with the executive team we needed to have some representation of the global

[00:08:49] Element of who we are you know so so Manolo and I have become friends over the years and I just really love him and Holly and appreciate them and and see that God has his hand on him in that city

[00:09:00] You know leave us a city of 11 million people so it's a huge 13 by now 13 by now It's going rapidly no yeah 13 okay and that's not even more crazy right and I just think as far as You know we're all about church planting and

[00:09:22] Discipleship and gospel advancement and you know Manolo's doing that and I just felt like he was a perfect fit for Both the international component and he's guy who's actually doing the stuff that that's what we're about yeah, yeah

[00:09:39] Yeah, I mean even with your age just representing a new generation somebody who's come up, you know and representing the future as well I think that that's really important you know anecdotally I'll just say like with the church planting with the cultivate program

[00:09:54] We have had so much interest in training church planters from Latin America So a lot from Mexico some from South America and some from Spain as well

[00:10:06] And and so we've been looking for resources and ways and people to partner with but just seems like God is doing a lot And and working in the Spanish speaking worlds so I'd love to hear your perspective on that like what is unique about ministry in Latin America

[00:10:22] What's unique about South America? Absolutely and I agree. I think the Lord is doing something really special in Latin America and the Spanish speaking world I think it's interesting because when we think of Christianity in the world

[00:10:37] We usually think I mean, I don't know. I assume that for a lot of maybe our listeners we we think in terms of the theological sort of academic epicenter that Europe and North America

[00:10:50] Have have been and have become right and I think that there's a really interesting and rich legacy there

[00:11:02] However, I think that South America in really the Spanish speaking world has equally rich and interesting history there with Christianity and a group of people who are eager to sort of step into that

[00:11:19] That place of knowing the knowing God more deeply and and to like South American I can speak for probably all of South American particularly Peru

[00:11:31] We have had a difficult few decades financially like economically politically culturally where it just seems like and it just even exacerbated to the probably you know a lot by COVID and everything that in suit after

[00:11:50] You know and so it's a group of people that have been beat up, you know not just by the situations sort of outside or our daily sort of control but also by the sort of stigma of a works based

[00:12:11] Theology where I have to prove myself I have to work for my salvation. I have to do this thing in order for God to like me right if it and if I'm not doing that then maybe I am deserving of the tragedies and of the difficulty and of the pain that is coming into my life right and so a lot of people that I've talked through the years

[00:12:32] I've come with that mentality of maybe you know what am I doing wrong that this is happening to me right and so when and when they get to hear the gospel when they get to hear the truth of the word of God, you know that sets them in a you know

[00:12:48] So completely different direction and they have like peace for the first time in thinking man like God already loves me God already accepts me you know these situations that are going on in my life and the pain that it's been inflicted upon me, it's not because God hates me and I'm doing something wrong it's it's other stuff going on but I am loved and I'm accepted and that is like that is what changed my life right and that's because that's where I come from

[00:13:15] Where you know this thing with church and I'm supposed to do these things if I don't fit into the mold then maybe I'm not you know God doesn't really you know love me and all that and so

[00:13:26] Just I think getting people to understand the message of the gospel and and the grace and the freedom and the love of God, I think is I mean for any culture right is this revelatory and transformative but for particularly South America I think it's special in that they come from this background of of

[00:13:49] Presence and just feeling this weight, you know upon up on your life so I think that that makes for a very thankful and vibrant group of churches where they're you know we're joyfully

[00:14:02] flowing where happy and we praise God with all we can and Brian you've been to our church a few times and we're just you know we sort of don't hold back

[00:14:11] I love it and I think too, you know you have the one of the things that's really impresses me about I think a Latin America you know

[00:14:24] Whether that's Mexico or Central America it's South America and specifically Peru as well it just seems like there is an openness to the gospel And I think especially kind of the way we approach you know teaching the scriptures very personally and

[00:14:44] Accessibly to people and I think what's happening is people are just discovering like wow God God loves me and look what the Bible says, you know like like Manola said there's there's a history of course of Christianity in South America

[00:15:00] And Peru going back to the time of course the you know the Catholic church there's a period where you know some Reforms theology took root we've been to the there's a museum in Lima

[00:15:16] We were not able to go in at last time that I went in it before that was literally like a torture chamber for the reform you know where the Tradition would take the people who were

[00:15:26] Dabbling with Luther and Calvin and take them down and put them on the rack and yeah, it's crazy stuff down So you know there there is this history of the gospel in that part of the world But I think through

[00:15:38] Through the non biblical approach to Christianity that you find quite often with a Catholicism And then also sort of the neglect of any kind of exposition all approach to the word through the charismatic movement

[00:15:52] You have a people that are starving for the word of God, you know if you have Christians even right who have Been exposed maybe you know to the kind of costal thing and come to know Jesus but they have not had

[00:16:06] The feeding that comes through you know really taking guns word seriously So I think Manolo and and these guys are in a a great position to See a real powerful church established through a foundation on the scriptures

[00:16:23] Yeah, it reminds me of what it says in Colossians chapter three where talks about you know Paul says I pray that you would be rooted and grounded And I think that that's something that coverage up will does really well

[00:16:34] Especially in those areas like where you said where people been exposed so God's maybe been responded Yeah, they haven't yet grown in the scriptures And one of the things that I am sometimes asked by people is even in my church

[00:16:46] You know isn't Christianity in decline like isn't Christianity dying out I say well it really depends where because globally It's not but in some places it is in decline mainline churches in the United States traditional churches in Europe

[00:17:03] And and yet there's a lot of statistics showing that in southern hemisphere Christianity is growing exponentially And when I say Christianity, I should specify that I mean evangelical Christian and correct And I think that I think Pastor Brian you're absolutely right

[00:17:21] I'd love to hear a little bit from you Manolo on this is like what is the role that Calvary Chapel can play In that southern hemisphere context where there is this great openness to the gospel And yet a need for rooting and grounding in the scriptures

[00:17:35] Yes, absolutely I think that Calvary Chapel can have a very and it already has had a very unique role in getting people to understand and live a The gospel and their relationship with God in a really right way, you know

[00:17:55] I'll tell this story really briefly we like to put together events and conferences for our youth and for you know leadership and stuff like that in Lima

[00:18:05] And one year we were doing this conference this youth conference and we invited a couple of pastors from the local churches, not Calvary Chapel

[00:18:14] And one of them is from a church in Lima, a fairly large church in Lima and he came, it was a youth pastor there and he came and his book and it was the first time that he had come to our church

[00:18:26] And he opened his session by saying like I can't believe that I'm speaking at a Calvary Chapel because this is I've known for a long time about Calvary Chapel and their sort of model of teaching explicitly through the Bible has impacted like my life and

[00:18:45] And they're not a Calvary Chapel and probably you know, they have other things going on but this pastor acknowledged And this is a surprise to me, the sort of legacy and influence that Calvary Chapel had in his own ministry

[00:19:01] And he was like I'm so thankful to be able to share in this church and that was amazing to me and I think that that is something that we did I'm beginning to see more and more is something that happens

[00:19:13] I don't know if you guys are seeing it like this sort of like homogenization of the church and in certain aspects maybe

[00:19:22] aesthetically or worship and stuff like that and I think that Calvary Chapel is getting to be a part of sort of a trend in moving towards a more

[00:19:32] Bible-centered exposition in preaching and I think this testimony sort of confirms that to me that without us really knowing the scope of our influence We are beginning to see outside of the US I really interesting and unique opportunity there to get people back to the word of God

[00:19:55] That's so interesting because this week one of the things we've been talking about in the conference right the theme of the conferences The spirit of Lord is upon me and it comes from Isaiah 61 the famous passage that Jesus preached in the synagogue in Nazareth and Luke chapter 4

[00:20:11] And the first session passed around you kicked off by talking about he has a knowing tid me and then it goes on from there

[00:20:17] But you talked about the annoying thing of the spirit and the importance of that and it's interesting I think that here in the West when we go to Europe and things like that a lot of times we're encouraging

[00:20:26] The people to be open to the work of the spirit and the power of the spirit and to not just be you know heads on sticks that just read the Bible and think about these things in theory

[00:20:39] Whereas it seems like maybe it's in the southern hemisphere and then maybe Latin America I've heard it same similar things in Africa One of the roles that Calvary Chapel plays is you know we talk about this work of the spirit and the word

[00:20:52] But here we're focusing like hey don't don't forget the spirit and over there it seems maybe the one of the important roles is the focus on the word

[00:21:02] I think so I think it is and it's very it's very healing for people to come to in South America and Lima countless times you know have people come to our church and say you know

[00:21:13] I never knew that this is something that you could experience in church where you can just listen and understand and it's you're not getting yelled at all the time

[00:21:21] You know getting you know people to give money on this stuff like that and it's like it's really transformative and healing for people to come and I think that we have a you know much to learn as well

[00:21:34] And this is something I really appreciate about C.G.N. is this attitude of you know we know what we have and will you know will have this will hold this and we'll move forward with it but we also know

[00:21:50] that the spirit is moving in the world outside of our churches and in other churches and other places and we can glean from that and learn from that and lean into that and I think

[00:22:04] I that's one of the things I appreciate about this movement and part of the reason why I feel excited to be a part of this team, this executive team too is to have this opportunity to

[00:22:19] move forward into yeah move forward into the the future knowing you know will we'll take this legacy forward and but we're not saying you know if you don't have this and you don't you don't get to

[00:22:37] be administered by the Holy Spirit or something you know yeah that appreciation for for what God is doing elsewhere is a big part of who we are as well yeah one thing I was going to say too is that I another part of my

[00:22:54] my excitement and expectation in being a part of C.G.N is something that we talked about earlier about the ethos of C.G.N

[00:23:07] really being compatible to the need of the people in South America and and that being you know yes the word of God but also you know the the grace of the gospel

[00:23:22] and the freedom and the love and all these things that we are very much for that they are you know that they get to receive and they get to be influence in really transformed by and I think that it's a whole continent of people who are in that place of need right and so we're talking about church planting and

[00:23:48] I think you asked earlier about how Catholic and have an impact there and I think that I agree that we that South America needs more

[00:23:57] more churches that are preaching the word of God as positionally and that are loving the people that are living in the grace of God and that have healthy leadership in place.

[00:24:10] That was one of the things that I will I was going to bring up as well is that part of the sort of set of issues that I've come to find and see in in South America is this sort of unhealthy

[00:24:24] leadership to the church culture where maybe 10 years ago it was very common that you would have this sort of movement of people who are

[00:24:34] in a way that's like you have to like ask everything and you can't like make your own decisions without asking the pastor and all these things and there's very rigid control of the people in the church and

[00:24:49] all come from that background to our church that you know I've had a couple of people at least come to me and ask me something just why of like can I take this vacation whatever and like what are you doing right now like stuff you know you don't need to ask me anything you know and so and that is just mind blowing for them it's like I don't have to consult with you every single thing in my life and like no you don't you know you need that's between you and the Lord and

[00:25:15] and to give people the sort of the you know the permission in a way to be like you can you know have your own relationship with God like I am not above you in any same sort of way you know I'm here to point you to Jesus into a quick you and that you would do you would have your own relationship with with the Lord I think that that is part of the culture is whether it's ready to you know to take on you know the the word and and what's he Jan is for really yeah and I

[00:25:45] think you know it is for freedom that that Christ has said it's free and that that's a big theme with us as as a network right we want to

[00:25:54] we believe the grace of God leads to freedom and we believe in having a gospel culture you know this healthy culture where we're really leaning into God's grace not to

[00:26:06] as a cloak for sin like Paul says to the Galatians but rather just the recognition that God he's for us. He loves us. He's he's going to work with us through our struggles and difficulties and I think you know one of the

[00:26:19] problems I think this is very well known for anybody who's ministered in the Latin world it has been just riddled with legalism either the legalism that comes through Catholicism or the

[00:26:30] legalism that comes through panicastalism and they're different types of legalism but they're both essentially you know so the idea like you know like Manila said I mean when I go to his church it's like a big party man everybody's just so

[00:26:44] there's so glad to be there they're dancing and praise of the Lord and you know everybody's having a joyful time which is what you should be having

[00:26:54] at church right but it's not just a bunch of emotion where everybody's all excited and then we go out the door and don't know how to live then there's the strong

[00:27:05] exposition of the scripture that's helping people see their lives being transformed and that's I think that is we just want to see that happen as far and wide

[00:27:16] as possible and you know there in I think in Peru correct me if I'm wrong Manila but maybe maybe over the years maybe 20 or so churches have been planted through like the time of John's

[00:27:29] John's been there 20 years and something yeah that's all right yeah but there's room for you know 10 times that oh yeah yeah I mean a city of 13 we only how do you reach certain young people you know exactly yeah

[00:27:45] yeah I love what Paul says to the Corinthians where he says you know we're not here to lord over your faith but to be helpers of your joy and I think that's a great attitude to take into

[00:27:54] Ministry leadership now I want to shift gears a little bit I know that you've also you know in Peru and in many countries in South America and Latin America you have multiple cultures right so you have

[00:28:05] the big city but there's also indigenous peoples and people who live in the mountains so I know you guys have been doing some outreach to that maybe you could share that with us yes so Peru is a very diverse country in a lot of different ways

[00:28:18] not only in the landscape but we have you know the coast and the mountains and the jungle but also in like socially like Lima is very like metropolis I guess is very you know it's a big city

[00:28:32] very sort of westernized in a way I guess you could say but it really might really isn't anomaly to Peru there's maybe another four or five other sort of bigger cities that don't really even compare Lima but in the rest of Peru probably more than 80% of Peru is very rural very rural we have

[00:28:55] quite literally like unreached people groups in Peru in our backyard you know what I mean and so but when I say that I was not too long ago I was invited to this festival

[00:29:09] there's a missionary in the southern sort of mountainous regions of Peru the Andes of the missionary there that has put together his built a hospital there it's actually a pretty well known ministry in South America it's a missionary hospital and he's there is a couple of two German doctors that came maybe 20 years ago

[00:29:34] and one of their things is you know we we want to not only provide like healthcare for this community that is literally abandoned out here there's almost no education no healthcare no you know and so they went and they got a bunch of donations from all over the world and they built this hospital amazing like quality hospital accessible for people to get healthcare and they had this sort of dream of doing this music festival for the youth of these communities

[00:30:04] and so they bit not a couple years ago they built an auditorium there and it's this is region called Abu Dimaq is very is close to it's maybe two hours from from Cusco where much of each was everybody would know about much of each is out and they built this auditorium and this they had this dream of just doing this festival and and they finally were able to put it together and and they invited me as one of the one of the speakers and man it was amazing just overlooking the auditorium was sort of facing a mountain and

[00:30:34] the on the back side there's this huge ridge of mountains and it it seats the auditorium seats maybe three or four thousand people and it was full to the brim

[00:30:46] and full of people from everywhere locally I was blown away and I think in all of these people a lot of them were non believers but a lot of them were believers that are

[00:30:59] in churches in these places whether churches that were started by missionaries or by locals and it big it sort of like I would make me realize man there's a lot going on that I don't

[00:31:12] really know you know and these in these places that people usually we think of like all these places that are far remote and nothing's going on in the

[00:31:20] speakers not doing anything that's not true myth that's not true and there's so much the Lord's doing and so I got the privilege to be able to speak in in this setting and and just made me excited that to see that the Lord is moving

[00:31:34] powerfully and I want to be a part of that yeah that's really cool so let me just ask you what are you excited about for the future of C.G.N. I think that I'm excited to see not only more churches being planted I think

[00:31:53] that I'm excited to see more healthy Bible preaching, loving, healthy leadership you know churches being planted all over the world I think that you know when we think of church planting we obviously know that there's a need in the world to plant churches but

[00:32:15] the answer is not really just planting churches and what I see in C.G.N. and it excites me about the future of it is that we're really trying to focus on not just sending people and not just setting up churches everywhere but we're actually wanting this

[00:32:31] organic healthy leadership to begin to move forward and you know my wife is from the what we were called the south in the U.S. right she's from north Florida and when we go to visit her

[00:32:48] side of the family she lives in a place that's called the like the Bible Bell right and and there is a church and every corner quite literally and let me tell you it's not great to can and you know so we know

[00:33:01] that that's not the answer the answer is not to have a church in every corner the answer is to have a church that is preaching faithfully the word of God and that is living it out. I love what Ray

[00:33:15] Orland has contributed to this movement and in his and his whole thing of you know the gospel doctrine and gospel culture you know I just love that idea and I think that that is really exciting

[00:33:28] for me as I think of the future of our chapel. That's really good. How can people be praying for you? What if people are praying for you what would you want them to be praying for? Sure I think two things

[00:33:39] one of them is we we have a sweet group of people and people that are willing to move forward and we have great leaders in our church and quite a few of them are ready to just

[00:33:57] to go and you know either plant churches or start ministries and we're beginning to see this happen so pray that we would be able to stir that movement gracefully and with wisdom we would love to

[00:34:13] you know see in the future you know more guys more teams from our church just being sent out to you know Lima and Peru and South America we want to be a church that is investing in planting other

[00:34:27] churches. I've been a pastor for 11 years now of this church and literally as all I could do you know I couldn't even begin to think about planting churches like I'm you know I'm learning myself

[00:34:39] and so but now I'm at a point where okay you know we've been doing this for over a decade and we're beginning to see you know the need outside of a local walls of the church and and so we have

[00:34:49] a team of people who are willing to move in that direction so pray for that. Pray for that sort of with wisdom and grace and and Stuart in this this sort of opportunity here and the other thing is

[00:35:01] we're still after 23 years, 22 years set up and tear down church and we have a great team of volunteers who are you know being just amazing and making it happen and and yet that's taxing you know

[00:35:15] and and we know that we it's a dream of ours you know to see in the future you know that we can have a place you know a permanent place for the church where we can sort of like HQ it and just you

[00:35:26] know so that's another dream of ours that you could pray for. That's cool but we're going to put a link to your church's website in the show notes and I would just tell her listeners

[00:35:37] hey they're doing a really great thing down there in limo and I love hearing about the opportunities you have to plant churches and the people who are ready that's just that gets me excited.

[00:35:47] So maybe there's somebody out there and God is putting on your heart to bless these guys with some resources and I would encourage you to follow the spirits leading you if that's the case. But thanks for listening thank you Brian and Manola. Thank you guys yeah thank you.

[00:36:01] Thanks for listening to this episode of the CGM mission and methods podcast In our next episode pastor Brian and I will be speaking with Brian Kelly. Brian has been around the world pasturing and planting churches on multiple continents

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