Dianne Sivulka, Part 1

[00:00:00] Welcome to Women Worth Knowing, the radio program and podcast hosted by Cheryl Brodersen

[00:00:10] and Robin Jones Gunn.

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[00:00:14] We have discovered that there are so many Christian women with fascinating stories.

[00:00:21] Some of these are missionaries, some are musicians, some are reformers, some are authors

[00:00:25] or wives, mothers, single women.

[00:00:28] But there are examples to all of us and they inspire us and that's why we do this program

[00:00:34] isn't it Robin?

[00:00:35] Yes it is.

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[00:00:37] We can so excited when we jump in the car to come here to do the recording in the studio.

[00:00:42] Today our guest is Diane Savolchia.

[00:00:45] Did I say correct?

[00:00:46] Savolchia.

[00:00:47] Savolchia says.

[00:00:48] I know.

[00:00:49] I know.

[00:00:50] I'm sure all of them do the introduction.

[00:00:52] Diane welcome.

[00:00:53] Thank you.

[00:00:54] Good to be here.

[00:00:55] I'm so glad you invited me.

[00:00:57] We are too.

[00:00:58] And I've got to ask real quick, Silvolchia.

[00:01:01] What is it that you must know the ethnicity?

[00:01:04] Check.

[00:01:05] Check.

[00:01:06] See that's why we were like, Silvolchia.

[00:01:08] I don't know why that won't stick in my head.

[00:01:10] So here's the interesting thing.

[00:01:12] Diane and I ran into each other several months ago and sort of looked at each other like

[00:01:16] I think I know you and I had was at an event that she was hosting for a ministry that

[00:01:24] she's going to tell us about an international ministry.

[00:01:26] So of course the international ministry, women I'm there.

[00:01:30] And when we started talking, we realized I was on her the newsletter list which is how

[00:01:36] I found out about the Tierza event.

[00:01:39] But also Diane said you came and spoke at our church women's retreat many moons go probably

[00:01:47] 20 years.

[00:01:48] Oh wow.

[00:01:49] 20 years I think.

[00:01:51] 20 years ago.

[00:01:53] And so we had these overlapping lives but then when we started talking and I found out more

[00:01:59] about what she's doing now, I thought, oh we have to have her on the program.

[00:02:03] I know because you have been telling me for months.

[00:02:06] I think we've been trying to coordinate a time to do in studio.

[00:02:10] We did.

[00:02:12] But here you are and we're so excited.

[00:02:14] And Cheryl has some overlapping.

[00:02:17] Well I know Diane's father-in-law and I was thinking this is going to be your mother-in-law

[00:02:24] and your mother-in-law coming into studio.

[00:02:27] And so we met in the hallway and I was like, you know, hi do you work at K-Way?

[00:02:31] Wait a minute.

[00:02:32] You probably have your own key and she's like no I don't have a key.

[00:02:35] I'm actually your guest today.

[00:02:36] It's like, oh hi.

[00:02:37] Sorry about that.

[00:02:38] I'm like wait and I'm looking at her going, well you look so young because I'm expecting

[00:02:43] it to be at the mother-in-law.

[00:02:44] My mother-in-law's name is Deanna and my name is Diane so that's not the first time

[00:02:49] that has happened.

[00:02:50] And I think I only met your mother-in-law like a handful of times even though we went to

[00:02:54] the same church for quite a few years, you know.

[00:02:58] I think we were actually only in Vista for 13 years altogether.

[00:03:03] We took over tiny little church in a grow and then we moved in.

[00:03:08] So yeah.

[00:03:09] And I had you're still in North San Diego County.

[00:03:11] I am.

[00:03:12] I live about 10 minutes away from that church.

[00:03:15] Oh really?

[00:03:16] Yeah and my family was involved in that church for many years, probably the whole time you

[00:03:19] guys were there.

[00:03:20] So that's not my family, that's my husband's family.

[00:03:23] Right.

[00:03:24] That's what he does.

[00:03:25] But wait, I've got to know like what neighborhood down there do you live in?

[00:03:27] I live in Bonsel which is.

[00:03:29] Yes, I know exactly where Bonsel is.

[00:03:30] So it's just at the end of the vice Vista way.

[00:03:33] From my neighborhood, I used to take these walks up in, we lived in Peacock Hills.

[00:03:38] So I used to take these walks and I would come to this kind of Vista, which is funny

[00:03:43] because it's right near Vista, that you could see Bonsel and it looked like a patchwork quilt.

[00:03:50] Yeah, a lot of agriculture.

[00:03:52] It's one of the most beautiful views just to do that.

[00:03:55] And all the ways to go for Canyon, all those roads.

[00:03:57] Yes, a lot of houses, a lot of avocado trees, lots of rattlesnakes.

[00:04:01] Yes.

[00:04:02] And coyotes.

[00:04:03] And a peacock's actually, which is why my neighborhood was called peacock Hills because

[00:04:08] peacocks kill rattlesnakes.

[00:04:11] So people would have peacocks all over Vista.

[00:04:15] Did you know that Diane?

[00:04:16] I did not know that.

[00:04:17] I'm already something new.

[00:04:19] Yeah, there's especially around the foothole area.

[00:04:24] A lot of those big houses have peacocks.

[00:04:26] Okay, so tell us how did you get to Bonsel or just give us good news.

[00:04:30] Oh, good story.

[00:04:31] We went here.

[00:04:32] Well, I was born in California.

[00:04:35] So I've lived in California my whole life and there's some interesting connections.

[00:04:39] It's not just with my husband's family but it's also my own family because my dad was

[00:04:46] a four square pastor for 27 years.

[00:04:48] So I drew, grew up as a PK.

[00:04:51] But also a four square PK.

[00:04:53] Yeah.

[00:04:54] And I have this thing that four square people are like the salt of the earth people, your

[00:04:58] favorite people.

[00:04:59] But when I listen to your story, I realize that we have some things in common.

[00:05:05] Pastoral ladies.

[00:05:06] Past recipes for pastoral.

[00:05:08] You'll find them in the four square church.

[00:05:10] I'm just saying.

[00:05:11] Yeah.

[00:05:12] So we lived on the central coast and that was my dad's first pastorate and he came to

[00:05:19] faith in 1969 the year before I was born.

[00:05:25] And so Calvary Chapel in the ministry here had had a big influence on that happening and

[00:05:31] you know what was happening during those years in the late 60s, early 70s.

[00:05:35] And he actually came down to Corona Del Mar to be baptized by Lawney Frisbee.

[00:05:40] Excellent.

[00:05:41] And so anyway, just a lot of really neat things there.

[00:05:44] But I grew up on the central coast.

[00:05:46] We lived in a rural area.

[00:05:49] We had land.

[00:05:52] We built forts, you know, as kids and it was a really beautiful childhood.

[00:05:56] And so that's how I came to know the Lord.

[00:05:58] Okay.

[00:05:59] So how many siblings?

[00:06:00] I have two siblings.

[00:06:01] They're both younger, a brother and a sister.

[00:06:04] And we got to see who's building the forts.

[00:06:06] Imagine this.

[00:06:07] Yes.

[00:06:08] Yes.

[00:06:09] And so yeah, it just, it was great.

[00:06:13] And then we moved.

[00:06:14] And that's when I think for me, life got a little bit more complicated because I was kind

[00:06:21] of a cautious girl.

[00:06:22] I was an obedient girl, you know, went with the flow.

[00:06:27] And then middle school years we moved to my dad got a new assignment and a new past right

[00:06:31] and we moved.

[00:06:32] And that's when I, I mean, honestly, who knows what happened?

[00:06:37] But I became rebellious and really for no good reason.

[00:06:41] I just was interested in doing my own thing and experimenting and trying different things.

[00:06:47] And that lasted a couple of years and I know it brought my parents a lot of grief.

[00:06:52] And I was very aware that God saw my choices and what I was doing, but I just didn't care.

[00:06:59] I just was doing my own thing.

[00:07:02] And then I started high school and the Lord allowed me to meet a young lady who had a really

[00:07:09] profound influence on my life.

[00:07:12] Her name's Michelle.

[00:07:13] She was a couple years older than me.

[00:07:16] She was an athlete, I was an athlete and she was beautiful, full of life, big personality,

[00:07:25] very popular.

[00:07:27] And you know, and when I look back on that, I think well, was it all of that that attracted

[00:07:31] me to her to want to be her friend or was it actually her faith?

[00:07:36] And I know that it was her faith because she loved Jesus and she wanted to talk about

[00:07:41] him and what she was reading and learning and how she was growing.

[00:07:46] And I was so attracted to that.

[00:07:47] I think all along even in those years of rebellion, I knew that it wasn't where I wanted

[00:07:54] to be or needed to be.

[00:07:56] And so she was very influential in my life.

[00:07:59] And when I think back on that, I'm, you know, what I'm most struck with is that community

[00:08:04] and relationships are so important.

[00:08:07] Absolutely.

[00:08:08] And God has created us for community and for relationships.

[00:08:13] And I just, I know from that experience and so many others that I've had and what

[00:08:17] I've seen in other people's lives is that he absolutely uses people to transform us.

[00:08:23] But you wonder if Michelle even knew the impact she was having.

[00:08:27] You know, this young girl who's just a couple years older, loving, trying to mentor

[00:08:32] and yet she was.

[00:08:33] Yes, because she loved Jesus.

[00:08:34] Exactly.

[00:08:35] Yeah, I mean, she would have been 17 at that time.

[00:08:38] And yeah, I mean, just so that's kind of a shout out to all you high school girls who

[00:08:42] are walking with Jesus and know that you are setting an example whether you realize it

[00:08:49] or not.

[00:08:50] And I think, you know, all those insecurities on the, we don't realize, you know, they

[00:08:55] don't realize the impact that they're having.

[00:08:57] But that's, I love that.

[00:08:59] Yeah.

[00:09:00] And I still am in touch with Michelle.

[00:09:01] We don't get to see each other as much as we'd like to, but yeah, so then a couple of years

[00:09:07] later, I find myself in college and I meet the love of my life.

[00:09:14] His name is Steve Savolka.

[00:09:15] So that's how I, Savolka.

[00:09:16] Savolka, I'm going to remember now.

[00:09:20] Yeah.

[00:09:21] I met him at church in a parking lot.

[00:09:24] He was walking into the building and and I just thought, wow, he's cute.

[00:09:29] And I was 19.

[00:09:30] I invited him out on a date.

[00:09:31] I think he's cute too.

[00:09:33] So yeah, the shy kind of reserved girl had become more, I don't know, I guess more

[00:09:40] bold as the older she got.

[00:09:42] This Savolka is though.

[00:09:44] There was a, you know, it was Bob and his wife, Diane, and they had four sons.

[00:09:48] And they're all brilliantly intelligent, very smart.

[00:09:52] And they were all very, very good looking too.

[00:09:54] That was just kind of a known fact at the church.

[00:09:56] They, yes, they are.

[00:09:58] And they're in that family, you either become a missionary or an engineer.

[00:10:03] There you go.

[00:10:04] One choice is yours, yes, the other.

[00:10:08] But yeah, so we got married and I am so incredibly thankful for my husband.

[00:10:15] He's, we celebrated 30 years earlier this year.

[00:10:19] And he is a total gift.

[00:10:23] You know, I think about this often when you meet someone that young, you really have no

[00:10:28] idea what you're doing.

[00:10:31] And I mean, you're still also becoming the person that you're going to be come, you know.

[00:10:36] And you think you know this other person but how can you?

[00:10:40] And so I'm just so thankful that he has turned out to be just an incredible life partner.

[00:10:47] He loves Jesus.

[00:10:49] He is an amazing leader for our home and our boys.

[00:10:53] He loves big.

[00:10:54] You have boys too?

[00:10:55] Yes, two boys.

[00:10:56] Yeah, it just runs in the solvaca.

[00:10:59] It does.

[00:11:00] It does.

[00:11:01] It really does.

[00:11:02] Yes.

[00:11:03] Yeah, so you know, he's a servant.

[00:11:05] He's generous.

[00:11:07] He loves big and he's also very silly.

[00:11:09] So he keeps life very interesting.

[00:11:11] I'm the serious one.

[00:11:13] He's the silly one.

[00:11:14] That's something.

[00:11:15] Yeah.

[00:11:16] It always seems to be that challenge.

[00:11:18] It's, yeah, there always is.

[00:11:19] And I was thinking the other day how I think I've been married to, how would I say it?

[00:11:25] I've been married three times, three men, but it's all the same man.

[00:11:30] But each season of life, it's like, oh, you're a different person.

[00:11:33] And then he's choosing to fall in love all over again and be committed all over again

[00:11:36] to that new version of the same person.

[00:11:39] Yeah.

[00:11:40] If you look back and go, yeah, I married three different men.

[00:11:43] He's all the same person.

[00:11:44] Yeah.

[00:11:45] That's when you first started saying that, I didn't know where you were going, but that

[00:11:50] is really interesting.

[00:11:51] That has appeared well enough at the time.

[00:11:53] Yeah.

[00:11:54] No, it's true though.

[00:11:55] It's true.

[00:11:56] You know, and it really is that cross-road point where you have to stop and say, no, this

[00:12:00] is a commitment.

[00:12:01] Marriage is a sacred bond and a vow that I made to this person.

[00:12:05] I've changed.

[00:12:06] I mean, how many women has my husband married two at least?

[00:12:10] We need to really qualify, right?

[00:12:14] It's the same person.

[00:12:15] It's the same person, but how you know what?

[00:12:18] Because your start is a young insecure person.

[00:12:21] You get married.

[00:12:22] Then you're a mother for a lot.

[00:12:25] And a mothering is just totally different than you're a mother of teenagers.

[00:12:30] That's a whole different thing.

[00:12:31] Hello.

[00:12:32] And then you're a mother of...

[00:12:33] And then they're gone.

[00:12:34] The empty nest and that's when you really get to know each other all over again.

[00:12:39] And then you're married to a grandpa.

[00:12:41] And it's that voice each time.

[00:12:43] I choose you.

[00:12:44] Right.

[00:12:45] And I choose to love you and be committed to you and become the best person I can be in

[00:12:51] this.

[00:12:52] But rather than, don't you love being married to a grandpa?

[00:12:54] Oh, yes.

[00:12:55] I mean, isn't that one of the funnest things?

[00:12:57] I mean, like, you think that you really love your husband when you're seen with your kids.

[00:13:00] But when you see them trying to interact with grandchildren so she's a little one, it's

[00:13:05] just like, I am enjoying this.

[00:13:08] Oh, I can see that.

[00:13:09] That is beautiful.

[00:13:10] Yeah.

[00:13:12] This is all to say that all of us have been married to the same person.

[00:13:15] Thank you.

[00:13:16] But they are clear.

[00:13:18] There have been just multiple versions, versions, personality, growth.

[00:13:26] And in ourselves because God continues to transform the person that we are and the person

[00:13:31] He wants us to be.

[00:13:33] What kind...

[00:13:34] I have to say, what sparked that was just someone who was telling me a few days ago, like

[00:13:37] I don't even know who He is anymore.

[00:13:39] I don't even know if it works.

[00:13:40] And it's like, that's part of marriage.

[00:13:44] You have to figure out who you are and who He is and renew in your heart those vows because

[00:13:51] it's a sacred commitment.

[00:13:53] And then it gets really good because you're really enjoying this new level of your communication

[00:13:59] and partnership.

[00:14:02] So okay, that was random.

[00:14:03] Let's go back to you, direct?

[00:14:05] So well, this all goes back to the fact that she loves her husband as much now if not

[00:14:10] more than when she met him in the item.

[00:14:12] I would say even more.

[00:14:14] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:14:15] Yeah.

[00:14:16] And I'd like to share a little bit about time and a season that we went through that was

[00:14:22] really transforming to us.

[00:14:23] So our boys are today 17 and 19.

[00:14:27] Actually, no, no, no, we just had a birthday, 17 and 20.

[00:14:31] But we did not have kids for a long time.

[00:14:34] We were by ourselves for 10 years and 10 years of infertility and all of that.

[00:14:39] And this is a big part of our story because I feel like that was such a growing time.

[00:14:47] It was a very painful time and a very isolating time.

[00:14:50] I didn't know a lot of other people.

[00:14:52] In fact, I didn't really know anyone else that was going through what we were going through.

[00:14:57] So it was a season of really pressing into Jesus and learning how to trust Him in a way

[00:15:02] that was painful and hard, but really transforming.

[00:15:08] And so, and then it just led in to all of parenting because if parenting's not learning how

[00:15:14] to trust the Lord, I don't know what is.

[00:15:18] And so yeah, so anyway, it's just that that has been a really big part of our story in

[00:15:23] our lives is really learning how to take our desires and what we want, what I wanted,

[00:15:30] what I strived for and what I hoped and dreamed of in literally laying that at the feet of

[00:15:36] Jesus and saying, I trust you more than what it is that I want or what I think is right

[00:15:41] for me.

[00:15:42] And so yeah, that has served me well in other areas too as I have had now many opportunities

[00:15:49] to have things not go the way I wanted them to.

[00:15:53] And okay, so here Robin and I are resisting asking questions about this because we want

[00:16:00] to get to the other stuff, the other stuff that this is just I can tell both of us are

[00:16:05] just like old back, old back because we're curious, but you know, that just sounds so amazing.

[00:16:13] And how it shaped you to trust God?

[00:16:15] Exactly.

[00:16:16] Deeper.

[00:16:17] Exactly.

[00:16:18] And just even that is just so amazing.

[00:16:20] Yeah.

[00:16:21] I think of there are a lot of women out there who are struggling with infertility and just

[00:16:27] it's hard, it is hard in just knowing the hope and that sometimes the very thing that we

[00:16:35] are striving for and we you know, I say there's always that point where you say if I just

[00:16:41] had this then I could serve you better Lord or we say if I didn't have this I could serve

[00:16:46] you better and we find that grace is really what we need.

[00:16:51] It's the component we need and you know, it's his grace and it's his impartation of himself

[00:16:57] through grace which is like amazing.

[00:16:59] So okay and we can experience his closeness in a way that's right that we I don't know

[00:17:05] if we can experience it the same way when we're not suffering or going through something.

[00:17:09] I agree.

[00:17:10] So true.

[00:17:11] But we don't want to sign up for any of them.

[00:17:13] No.

[00:17:14] I've been in that classroom too long.

[00:17:16] Yeah.

[00:17:17] So, I mean but what's interesting too is I believe that every every every hard thing or every

[00:17:22] positive thing that you have experienced in your life lead you to something God's not

[00:17:27] going to waste anything.

[00:17:28] That's right and so and I can say that the same is true career wise if we want to segue

[00:17:34] into that because yes.

[00:17:35] I've had a lot of interesting things I started out as a teacher I did that for many years

[00:17:40] middle school teacher history.

[00:17:42] Then we homeschooled our boys and we did a lot of travel and so I started travel writing,

[00:17:47] blogging, writing curriculum for educational travel and then I got into a lot of nonprofit

[00:17:55] work volunteering and then global nonprofit work and with all of the missionaries in

[00:17:59] our family is no why were you traveling?

[00:18:02] Well because we liked it you know when when you're by yourself for 10 years and you have

[00:18:07] two incomes and no kids and everyone around you is changing diapers.

[00:18:14] You kind of are like well then what can we do?

[00:18:17] And so we started traveling and we was traveling like a ministry like were you or was it

[00:18:23] those years?

[00:18:24] During in those years it was touring okay but we were also because of all the missionaries

[00:18:28] in our family we're also visiting people but in those 10 years that we were without kids

[00:18:33] Stephen I started traveling every time we had a break from school or work and that kind

[00:18:39] of lit a passion in us to be out in the world and to experience culture people learning

[00:18:47] all of that.

[00:18:49] And so then that spilled over into when we did have kids when it came time for them well

[00:18:54] the first time we went away with our kids they were nine months old and two and everyone

[00:19:01] said oh now that you have kids you'll stop traveling and we did for a time but then

[00:19:06] we couldn't stand it anymore.

[00:19:07] Nine months.

[00:19:08] Yeah so we went to Greece for a month and we met our family in Serbia they drove down

[00:19:15] and met us and we just did life with diapers and baby food just in another place and it was

[00:19:23] really fun and it kind of opened up our eyes to the fact that okay well we don't have

[00:19:26] to stop traveling because we have kids and so then that ended up pushing into homeschooling

[00:19:33] and curriculum writing and traveling for education but also to expose our boys to the

[00:19:39] world so that they could see and understand how other people live and connect with people

[00:19:46] and then that started spilling over into well let's also see how people are making a

[00:19:51] difference in the world.

[00:19:52] And those travel blogs and the curriculum are still available online aren't they?

[00:19:57] They are they're on a website I don't even manage anymore but a lot of it's still evergreen

[00:20:01] and put it in the shade.

[00:20:02] Oh go notes.

[00:20:03] We have a lot homeschoolers that would be really interested to see how you did that.

[00:20:07] Yeah yeah thank you so yeah and then that led into travel on purpose so tell me are we

[00:20:15] just going to jump into that.

[00:20:18] Let's jump into at least giving an introduction to it because we only have about four minutes

[00:20:22] left but let's let's at least jump into you know okay what this is and you know okay so

[00:20:29] very briefly I'm just going to say that in 2020 as the world you know came to kind of a

[00:20:35] close and I was in a transitional period between a couple of things I just stopped working for

[00:20:41] a global nonprofit and something my boys Steve has always said to the boys what are

[00:20:46] you good at what are you passionate about how are you going to let God use that for good

[00:20:49] in the world and so in 2020 and I also turned 50 that felt very Jubilee transfer of

[00:20:56] me.

[00:20:57] Like you know kind of a pivot what's next and so I just started dreaming about what would

[00:21:03] it be like to start a travel company that would allow people to go and experience the

[00:21:08] cultural beauty of places and also connect with people who are doing good work who are

[00:21:13] sharing the gospel who are making a difference in the community and I took a whole year

[00:21:19] to dream it think it planet do it started and research it yeah so yeah and it's been so

[00:21:28] much fun.

[00:21:29] Tell us about some of the first trips that you took.

[00:21:31] So in 2021 well the first thing I did was I reached out to all of nonprofits and people

[00:21:38] doing good work who I already had a connection with people that we've been following their

[00:21:43] work for years or maybe were donors or advocates for their work and also places where people

[00:21:47] could travel or would want to travel because there's plenty of places where you don't want

[00:21:52] to go on a vacation right like Haiti for example that's not a place that I'm going to I'm

[00:21:57] in a plan or promote this type of travel too but but anyway reached out to a bunch of

[00:22:01] them got some really positive responses so soon as the world that open back up early 2021

[00:22:07] I was out going and visiting and learning okay what are the travel opportunities in that

[00:22:13] location what's this ministry doing are they open to having visitors and it's not so much

[00:22:19] volunteering it's more like let's go and learn let's learn about what the need is in this

[00:22:25] community who's on the ground doing something about it and then as people who can afford

[00:22:31] to travel and who want and have a curiosity to go out and be in the world what can we

[00:22:36] then bring to the table is God inviting me to be a part of their story as well.

[00:22:40] So that's kind of the idea behind travel on purpose beautiful travel and it is a vacation

[00:22:46] I don't call them mission strips they're really more like I've seen every trip.

[00:22:50] There are lovely places where you say yeah it's beautiful hotels but I like to support

[00:22:55] the local economy I want it to be ethical sustainable responsible style of travel but

[00:23:02] that really embraces the local people let's learn the history let's learn the handicrafts

[00:23:09] you know let's do all the things and then really celebrate what God's doing in those

[00:23:17] see I love this because my mother would do all this background research every time my

[00:23:21] dad was going to go speak someplace and she would know this is this is what they're well

[00:23:27] known for like when we first went to Salzburg she said they have this thing called a knuckle

[00:23:32] and it's you have to order 30 minutes before you sit down and it's a huge meringue that

[00:23:38] comes with raspberry sauce and so she's she would know that like going in she'd know which bakery

[00:23:44] to go to which restaurant to go to and she would know a lot about the people there and that is

[00:23:51] so good but that's part of the homeschooling isn't it I think because part of that research

[00:23:55] that you did just to teach your children how much of this do you think too because what

[00:24:02] we just kind of skimmed over is that one of your brother-in-law's is a missionary and went

[00:24:07] when he was just a young man 18 yeah yeah that's right so at at the Vista Calvary Chapel

[00:24:15] he was exposed to missions right after he graduated from high school he went with your husband

[00:24:22] that's right and I know he picked up the language it he sure did immediately he sure did he was just

[00:24:28] you know like a miracle it is yeah how quickly he picked it up but yeah so he went at 18 he helped

[00:24:36] get that church started in super titsa and they still live there today they're not in

[00:24:41] super titsa but they're in Serbia and it's beautiful I'll actually be with them soon

[00:24:46] see part of the minister yeah yeah it's really it is beautiful and I love how God brings all

[00:24:52] these things together but we have to hear more that's right so we'll be back for part two right

[00:24:57] so the next show that we do we'll we'll dive into the places you've been what the Lord is done

[00:25:03] and all of that so we're really excited about part two

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